Conjugation Of A Sentence in Tutelo-Saponi

[Scott Collins]

Pi:lahuk for clearifying that.
 
 


Scott P. Collins
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--- On Mon, 5/27/13, David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:


From: David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Conjugation Of A Sentence in Tutelo-Saponi
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Monday, May 27, 2013, 10:25 PM


Oliverio (p. 269) has pi:lahuk, as one word.

Dave


On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Scott Collins <saponi360 at yahoo.com> wrote:






 
Is thank you "huk pila" or "pila huk" in Tutelo-Saponi?
 
 
 
 



Scott P. Collins
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WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR

Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle

“Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.”

"The greater the denial the greater the awakening."

--- On Mon, 5/27/13, Rory Larson <rlarson1 at UNL.EDU> wrote:


From: Rory Larson <rlarson1 at UNL.EDU>

Subject: Re: Conjugation Of A Sentence in Tutelo-Saponi
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Monday, May 27, 2013, 3:30 PM







Ø  As for the several "pi" words, they may not all be the same.  For example, 'good' is aspirated in the other Siouan languages, so it is almost certainly aspirated in Tutelo also.  That means it should be written phonemically /phi:/, whereas some of the other "pi" words may have the unaspirated /p/ that varies with [b] in some of the less fluent speakers from a century ago.  For example, the 'desiderative mode' marker is almost certainly unaspirated and pronounced [pi] or [bi], depending on the speaker.  


Question here.  How does the unaspirated vs. aspirated distinction in Southeastern square with the unaspirated vs. pre-aspirated vs. post-aspirated trichotomy that I thought was established for MVS?  I had understood from long ago that pre-aspiration (e.g. ʰt-) had shifted forward to merge with post-aspiration (e.g. tʰ-) in Dakotan, had stayed the same in Osage, and had changed to tense (e.g. tt) in Omaha, Ponka and Kaw.  Was there not this three-way distinction in Proto-Siouan and Southeastern?
 
Thanks, 
Rory 
  
 





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David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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