Carominga

[Sky Campbell]

Justin,

 

I thought of that too (and even thought of turtle LOL...ke for ketą) but nothing came to mind for the rest.  We have a precedent for this which is a name listed as "Ke Greðe" (Prairie Turtle/Spotted Turtle).  I seem to remember one or two more but can't think of them off the top of my head.

 

And thanks for pointing out the "g" possibly being the "j" sound.  That is usually one of the first things I consider but it totally slipped my mind.  Man, I really, REALLY need to finish my "character/morpheme swap" program for situations like this.

 

Sky

 

From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of Mcbride, Justin
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:46 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: Carominga

 

Howdy, Jimm,

 

I wonder about the division of syllables into Caro and Monga. Is it possible that it could be Ca Romonga? I ask becasue, if it were a Kaw name, I'd think it might have something to do with kke, 'turtle,' which I'm pretty sure I've seen spelled as Ca in names before. I would also look at the r as representing either Ks y or l, and -ga part at the end (if it's not been switched, as Sky suggests, which I think is probable) as possibly representing like the Ks syllable j^e, which seems to happen fairly frequently in the names I've looked at. In short, I would expect something like kke yaNmaNj^e, which doesn't ring any bells at all in Ks. Now, I don't know much at all about IOM, lexically or phonologically--maybe this makes even less sense in IOM--but thought I just might throw that out there as food for thought. 

 

All the best,

-Justin

 

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Sky Campbell <sky at legendreaders.com> wrote:

The "caro" portion has me thinking of a few possibilities:

 

kera (as you pointed out)

giro (happy)

 

The "monga" has me thinking of:

 

mange (lying down)

mange (chest)

womanke (easy) <-- perhaps unlikely

mąnka (medicine) <-- seems the most unlikely but I thought I'd throw it in there

 

Last is a "theory" that I have that perhaps somehow, some way, "monga" might be a form of "manyi/manye".  Considering how many examples of "ng" and "ny" being swapped out (sunge/sunye, -inge/-inye, etc.), I wonder if perhaps it might be a version of "manyi".  Especially since that word is used in so many names already and your friend noted that it appears in other names as well.  This is just speculation, of course.  Speaking of which, if they could provide examples of other names that use "monga", it might help us figure it out.

 

Sky

 

From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of Jimm G. GoodTracks
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:25 AM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Fw: Carominga

 

Does anyone have some thoughts to decipher the name: "Caromonga."  The last part appears to be "mange" (be in sitting position).  The first could be "kera" (cleared sky).

 

 

From: Greg Olson <mailto:caxelolson at gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:48 PM

To: Jimm GoodTracks <mailto:jgoodtracks at gmail.com>  

Subject: Carominga

 

Jimm, while proofing my manuscript, I came across an Ioway name I had overlooked. Caromonga. He is mentioned insome council   meetings during the 1840s. I notice the end of the name- monga -appears in other names too. 

 

Greg

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