Carominga

[Mcbride, Justin]

When you showed me that program last year, Sky, I remember thinking, "Now,
THIS is awesome!" As a guy who, for years, was asked questions like,
"What's my Granddad's name mean?" on a weekly basis, only to be handed a
string of indecipherable 'ah's, 'eh's, and hyphens with a few consonants
mixed in for good measure, I would have relished the opportunity to see a
list the possible permutations presented at once. Now, if you could just
build in some phonotactic constraint logic and SQL interaction with some
sort of lexical database to provide suggestions--you know, the easy
stuff--you'd have the proverbial better mousetrap!  :)  Ah, it's fun to
dream!

By the way, the name Kke Leze was the name of one of the last living male
L1 Ks speakers. -jtm


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Sky Campbell <sky at legendreaders.com> wrote:

> Justin,
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> I thought of that too (and even thought of turtle LOL...ke for ketą) but
> nothing came to mind for the rest.  We have a precedent for this which is a
> name listed as "Ke Greðe" (Prairie Turtle/Spotted Turtle).  I seem to
> remember one or two more but can't think of them off the top of my head.
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> And thanks for pointing out the "g" possibly being the "j" sound.  That is
> usually one of the first things I consider but it totally slipped my mind.
> Man, I really, REALLY need to finish my "character/morpheme swap" program
> for situations like this.
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> Sky
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> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] *On Behalf Of
> *Mcbride, Justin
> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 5:46 PM
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Subject:* Re: Carominga
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> Howdy, Jimm,
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> I wonder about the division of syllables into Caro and Monga. Is it
> possible that it could be Ca Romonga? I ask becasue, if it were a Kaw name,
> I'd think it might have something to do with kke, 'turtle,' which I'm
> pretty sure I've seen spelled as Ca in names before. I would also look at
> the r as representing either Ks y or l, and -ga part at the end (if it's
> not been switched, as Sky suggests, which I think is probable) as possibly
> representing like the Ks syllable j^e, which seems to happen fairly
> frequently in the names I've looked at. In short, I would expect something
> like kke yaNmaNj^e, which doesn't ring any bells at all in Ks. Now, I don't
> know much at all about IOM, lexically or phonologically--maybe this makes
> even less sense in IOM--but thought I just might throw that out there as
> food for thought.
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> All the best,
>
> -Justin
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> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Sky Campbell <sky at legendreaders.com>
> wrote:
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> The "caro" portion has me thinking of a few possibilities:
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> kera (as you pointed out)
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> giro (happy)
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> The "monga" has me thinking of:
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> mange (lying down)
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> mange (chest)
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> womanke (easy) <-- perhaps unlikely
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> mąnka (medicine) <-- seems the most unlikely but I thought I'd throw it in
> there
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> Last is a "theory" that I have that perhaps somehow, some way, "monga"
> might be a form of "manyi/manye".  Considering how many examples of "ng"
> and "ny" being swapped out (sunge/sunye, -inge/-inye, etc.), I wonder if
> perhaps it might be a version of "manyi".  Especially since that word is
> used in so many names already and your friend noted that it appears in
> other names as well.  This is just speculation, of course.  Speaking of
> which, if they could provide examples of other names that use "monga", it
> might help us figure it out.
>
>
>
> Sky
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> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] *On Behalf Of
> *Jimm G. GoodTracks
> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 9:25 AM
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Subject:* Fw: Carominga
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>
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> Does anyone have some thoughts to decipher the name: "Caromonga."  The
> last part appears to be "mange" (be in sitting position).  The first could
> be "kera" (cleared sky).
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> *From:* Greg Olson <caxelolson at gmail.com>
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> *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 4:48 PM
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> *To:* Jimm GoodTracks <jgoodtracks at gmail.com>
>
> *Subject:* Carominga
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>
>
> Jimm, while proofing my manuscript, I came across an Ioway name I had
> overlooked. Caromonga. He is mentioned insome council   meetings during the
> 1840s. I notice the end of the name- monga -appears in other names too.
>
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>
> Greg
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