Have and BE verbs

[Trude Schermer]

just for your information: the first sign that Bencie describes also occurs
in Sign Language of the Netherlands with the same accompanying mouth
gesture; it means "to be present".

trude schermer

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Van: For the discussion of linguistics and signed languages.
[mailto:SLLING-L at ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA]Namens B. Woll
Verzonden: dinsdag 5 februari 2002 20:37
Aan: SLLING-L at ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA
Onderwerp: Re: Have and BE verbs


NO, the sign HAVE with the closing hand is different - all 3 are
existential markers, but HAVE has less of a locative quality  than the
other two. The first sign Adam refers to has spread fingers, palm down,
and very slight repeated rotation at the wrist (a bit like the hearing
gesture for 'maybe') accompanied by the mouth gesture 'shhh'. The
second has an A hand with thumb extended, palm left, thumb up, with
the same movement as the previous sign and the same mouth gesture.

Bencie Woll

On 4 Feb 2002 at 19:50, James MacFarlane wrote:

> Adam,
>
> Is there also a sign in BSL which is glossed as HAVE (its a 5 hs to S hs,
> upturned palm)?  In the Brien dictionary it says that "if an E handshape
is
> used and the movement is sharp and repeated, while the top teeth close
> repeatedly against the lower lip, the sign produced is  THERE-IS".  Or is
> this the same sign you referenced below?  If its not, could you point me
to
> a description of the two signs?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> --
> James MacFarlane
> University of New Mexico
> Department of Linguistics
>
>
>
>
> > From: "Adam Schembri, Deaf Studies" <Adam.Schembri at bristol.ac.uk>
> > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:05:47 +0000
> > To: "For the discussion of linguistics and signed languages."
> > <SLLING-L at ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
>
> > BSL and Auslan both use HAVE in the same way as LSQ. To my knowledge,
> > there are two variants of the BSL sign TO-EXIST (one with a 5
> > handshape and one with an A handshape), but Chris is right to suggest
> > that they are not used as a copula.
> >
> > Adam
> >
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> >
> > On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:44:25 +0100 Onno Crasborn
> > <o.crasborn at LET.KUN.NL> wrote:
> >
>

Dr. Bencie Woll
b.woll at city.ac.uk
Chair of Sign Language and Deaf Studies
Language and Communication Science
City University, Northampton Square
London EC1V 0HB
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