AW: [SLLING-L] Plain verbs in signed languages

[Mim Vermeerbergen]

Dear Daniela (and others),

Without having read your paper, it seems to me this might relate to  
the distinction between pragmatic agreement and semantic agreement as  
discussed in Engberg-Pedersen's 1993 book.

Kind regards,

Myriam Vermeerbergen


On 09 Jan 2008, at 09:04, Daniela Happ wrote:

> Hi Scholastica,
>
>
>
> in my research I found that the so called plain verbs aren´t really  
> plain. They contain morphemes of person and space, f.e. the DGS  
> (German Sign Language) verb BEZAHLEN (to pay). But the person/space  
> morphemes aren´t strong enough to identify exactly personal  
> agreement or space agreement. In my work I call these verbs weak  
> agreement verbs (schwach kongruente Verben). I´m sorry, my work is  
> in German and not English, but if you understand German, contact me  
> and I will send you an excerpt of the article I wrote with a  
> colleague (D.Happ & M.-O. Vorköper 2005: Einige Bemerkungen zur  
> syntaktischen und morphologischen Repräsentation von Numerus in  
> Deutscher Gebärdensprache. In: Leuninger, Helen & Daniela Happ  
> (Hrsg.): Gebärdensprachen: Struktur, Erwerb, Verwendung  
> (Linguistische Berichte. Sonderheft 13). Hamburg: Buske, P. 97 ff.)
>
> To all: sorry for my ill english.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Daniela
>
>
>
>
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>
> Von: slling-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:slling-l- 
> bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Schola Lam
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Januar 2008 17:54
> An: A list for linguists interested in signed languages
> Betreff: Re: [SLLING-L] Plain verbs in signed languages
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> I think I need to rephrase my question. Sorry for any  
> misunderstandings caused.
>
>
>
> I tried to adopt Padden's (1983, 1988) verb classification for my  
> HKSL data. Yet I want to clarify the notion plain verbs. I wonder  
> if what have been called plain verbs may not be really "plain" in  
> terms of morphology (e.g. verb agreement, aspect, etc) when more  
> studies are done on ASL and other signed languages.
>
>
>
> Did anyone observe that the so-called plain verbs may actually be  
> marked with morphemes in signed languages?
>
>
>
> Scholastica
>
>
> "Mark A. Mandel" <mamandel at ldc.upenn.edu> wrote:
>
> "Scholastica" (Nini Hoiting?) wrote:
>
> #I am a research student who works on Hong Kong Sign Language. My  
> focus of
> #study is verbs. I would like to confirm if plain verbs are generally
> #unmarked for verb agreement and spatial locations.
>
> Dan Slobin answered:
>
> #By defnition, a "plain verb" is one that cannot move in space, and  
> so it
> #cannot mark agreement and spatial locations in itself. But in many  
> sign
> #languages (including Sign Language of the Netherlands, Taiwanese Sign
> #Language, and others), there are "auxiliary" verbs that accompany  
> a "plain"
> #verb. Such accompanying verbs do move in space to indicate  
> relations such
> #as source-goal, agent-patient, and so forth.
>
> Denise Wetzler added:
>
> #In American Sign Language, verbs move. The movement itself  
> contains a great
> #amount of information. If want to show that I will go from my  
> house to the
> #bank and then to the library, these three locations are first  
> established in
> #the signing space. How I sign the verb 'go-to' then will show where I
> #started from; went to; and where I ended up. [...]
>
>
> It's essential to know what Scholastica means by "plain verb". Dan  
> is evidently
> assuming that S. has the same definition for it that he does.
>
> A sign that does not move in space can nevertheless mark agreement  
> with a
> spatial location, by its orientation and possibly its location as  
> well. Example:
> ASL PITY (open-8 handshape, palm toward object, middle finger  
> repeatedly
> bending).
>
> Clarification of Denise's answer: in ASL, *many* verbs move [in  
> space], but by
> no means all of them.
>
> -- Mark A. Mandel
> Linguistic Data Consortium, University of Pennsylvania
>
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