SLLING-L Digest - 15 Jun 2012 to 16 Jun 2012 (#2012-59)

Sun Jun 17 12:12:45 UTC 2012

You are absolutely correct here. As writing systems, the scripts are clearly documented, and the corpus for SW is the largest in the world for multiple languages. 

Charles Butler
chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
240-764-5748
Clear writing moves business forward.

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Topics of the day:

  1. SW to HamNoSys (2)

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Date:    Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:37:14 +0200
From:    Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: SW to HamNoSys

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Hoi,
For a computer person they are not languages either, they are scripts and
they would be marked according to the relevant standard as an addition to
the language. For SignWriting this is possible as this script has been
recognised in the ISO-15924. It would be ase-Sgnw for American Sign
Language written in SignWriting.
Thanks,
     Gerard

On 15 June 2012 23:29, Adam Frost <adam at frostvillage.com> wrote:

> I believe that Charles was using computer talk when he said the two
> languages, but you are right that it is better to refer to SignWriting and
> HamNoSys as writing systems. :-)
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:37 PM, "Mark A. Mandel" <mamandel at LDC.UPENN.EDU>
> wrote:
>
> That's good information. Just a terminological point: these are writing
> systems, not languages.
>
>  --
> Mark A. Mandel
> Linguistic Data Consortium
> University of Pennsylvania
>
>
>
> On 12.06.15, at 12:54 PM, Cherie Wren wrote:
>
> Your best bet would be to check with Rachel Channon as she has been
> working on a multi-conversion program between SignWriting, HamNoSys and a
> third system which she presented at TISLR in Indiana.  She has the largest
> corpus available in both languages, to the best of my knowledge.
>
> HamNoSys does not have as many parameters as SW so there may be some
> things missing.
>
> Charles Butler
>
>
>

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Hoi,<div>For a computer person they are not languages either, they are scri=
pts and they would be marked according to the relevant standard as an addit=
ion to the language. For SignWriting this is possible as this script has be=
en recognised in the ISO-15924. It would be ase-Sgnw for American Sign Lang=
uage written in SignWriting.</div>

<div>Thanks,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gerard</div><div><br></div><div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 15 June 2012 23:29, Adam Frost <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:adam at frostvillage.com" target=3D"_blank">ada=
m at frostvillage.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>I believe that=
Charles was using computer talk when he said the two languages, but you ar=
e right that it is better to refer to SignWriting and HamNoSys as writing s=
ystems. :-)</div>

<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div></font></span=
><div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">Adam</font></span><div=
><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:37 PM, "Mark A. Mand=
el" <<a href=3D"mailto:mamandel at LDC.UPENN.EDU" target=3D"_blank">ma=
mandel at LDC.UPENN.EDU</a>> wrote:<br>

<br></div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div><div>That's good information. Just a terminological point: =
these are writing systems, not languages.</div><div><br></div><div>
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xt-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:norm=
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e:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"text-indent=
:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font=
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e;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helve=
tica;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">

<span style=3D"line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;border-collapse:separate;=
letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:n=
ormal;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"=
line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;border-collapse:separate;letter-spacing:=
normal;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spac=
ing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">

--<br>Mark A. Mandel<br>Linguistic Data Consortium<br>University of Pennsyl=
vania<br><br><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></span>
</div>

<br><div><div>On 12.06.15, at 12:54 PM, Cherie Wren wrote:</div><br><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif"><span>Your
best bet would be to check with Rachel Channon as she has been working=20
on a multi-conversion program between SignWriting, HamNoSys and a third=20
system which she presented at TISLR in Indiana. =C2=A0She has the largest=
=20
corpus available in both languages, to the best of my knowledge.=C2=A0</spa=
n><div><span><br></span></div><div>HamNoSys does not have as many parameter=
s as SW so there may be some things missing.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div>Ch=
arles Butler</div>

</div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote></div><br></div>

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Date:    Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:12:59 -0400
From:    Dan Parvaz <dparvaz at GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: SW to HamNoSys

Conversion of handshapes SW->HNS strikes me as relatively simple. The 
difficult problem, or so it seems to me, is converting the relative position of the 
SignWriting glyphs to the HamNoSys explicit notation of location, orientation, 
and movement. 

Has HamNoSys developed anything like SignWriting's rich inventory of non-
manual symbols?

-Dan.

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