Typing in SignWriting

Charles Butler chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Thu Apr 1 00:07:43 UTC 2004

HI, Val, I have a NEC computer, running Windows 97, with a 500 MB drive.  I really need an upgrade to a DELL or better with Windows 2000.  I had a major system crash and lost my old computer the day after I had everything saved onto CDs.  I lost 5 years worth of old emails, but fortunately still have a lot of work.  Somewhere in my move I misplaced the Brazilian work other than what I have sent you, and I'd really like to print it out, and start putting it slowly into SSS in the order I think it.

I live in Sterling, VA, which is a suburb (almost an exurb) of Washington DC, where Gallaudet University is.  I'd love to be doing something like this for research, and maybe a company near me could consider it as a research project.


Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> wrote:
SignWriting List
March 31, 2004

Charles - You deserve a better computer. Maybe we can get one donated
to you from your local area. Where do you live, and what kind of a
computer do you have right now...? Give me the exact model name, and
the operating system...Are you running Windows? What version? How much
internal memory do you have? Please answer this to the List, and tell
me what large city you are near? You may be surprised that computers
are available to people, if you energetically pursue a donation from a
computer company that can't sell their old ones...Val ;-)


On Mar 31, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Valerie, I think the SSS with its spelling conventions will really
> help to get sign writing standardized.  It will take a long time and
> experimentation, but we've done this in 25 years, imagine the next 25.
> My manually sorting the Libras dictionary, starting with the hands, as
> slowly as I did it gave me an appreciation for your program.
> We're working together, I just wish I had the computer to dedicate to
> this time, and a salary to cover it.
> Charles Butler
> Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> March 31, 2004
> Stephen Slevinski wrote:
> > SignWriting is superior to the alphabet for capturing language detail
> > during
> > transcription. If you tell 10 people to sign "I love you", each using
> > a
> > different emotion, and faithfully transcribe what they sign, each
> > SignWriting will be different: the facial expression, the exact hand
> > placement, and other details. If you capture 10 people saying "I love
> > you",
> > each spelling would be the same, and anything not the same is a
> > spelling
> > error.
> Dear SW List, and Stephen -
> Yes. In the spoken language world, the above description is like
> comparing the International Phonetic Alphabet to the standardized
> spellings and standardized alphabet called the Roman Alphabet. It is
> simply the difference between writing every detail and nuance, or
> creating a standardized spelling system.
> In the SignWriting world, right now, we are working with only a few
> standardized SignSpellings. But our pioneering work in the SignBank
> Editor program is making it possible to standardize SignSpellings now.
> That is why, without my work with SignSpellings, you will not be able
> to place signs in SSS in a dictionary...because to list signs in the
> order of the SSS, you have to have a SignSpelling to tell you what
> symbol starts the sign, what symbol comes second in the sign, and so
> forth. So sorting and printing dictionaries by SSS has two steps...the
> SignSpellings and then the sequence of those signs in a dictionary.
> So anyway, I am making those listings of SignSpellings for you, and
> placing them in a big document.
> The question is....Will spelling standardization destroy the
> flexibility and beauty of writing the nuances of signed languages?
> No...not if we also keep the IMWA...the International MovementWriting
> Alphabet...which is a the flexible SignWriting...so if we have both a
> standard spelling system, plus a flexible system...people can choose
> until this all becomes a part of history that everyone will take for
> granted in a generation or two!
> Val ;-)
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