[sw-l] Question about symbol

Charles Butler chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Tue Dec 7 14:07:31 UTC 2004

I just have old SW DOS 4.0 on my machine.  Yes, it's that ancient a program.  I pushed it from Dos into paint into an illustration.  It may be 1980s but I still have that program and have lots of classroom notes in it.

>From the example you posted, I'm not sure where the "rule" goes.  Does the up and back arrow go to the side rather than above?  I don't want to fill the ASL bank on SignBank with my notes so I did it at home on my ancient computer.  Perhaps we could have a SignBank dictionary file for "examples" so that I don't clutter up an "official" dictionary.  I can assemble a sign quickly at work but at home the SignBank takes more than one minute for each sign symbol to load unless I simply use SW DOS.



Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
SignWriting List
December 6, 2004

I cannot read these symbols and I am curious where you got the symbols,
Charles? The shoulder lines look different in SignMaker...do you know
how to access the shoulder lines in SignMaker?...and what are the
rectangles? Did you mean flat hands, which used to be a rectangle in
the 1980's....smile...Val ;-)

> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=symbols.gif; x-mac-type=47494666; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-creator=3842494D

On Dec 6, 2004, at 4:10 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Following "sign spelling rules" the hand goes up and then back which
> means the arrow is "above" the hand on the page.  Because the
> orientation of the hand changes, I would think you'd show both
> orientations and a shoulder line to show the end position.  How's this
> everyone?
> Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> I am a little confused about the symbol for a backwards arc (
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/png name=image.png; x-unix-mode=0666
> ). For other arrows, I can understand how to place a handshape before
> and after the movement to show starting and ending orientations or
> handshapes. How do I do this with this arrow? Starting and ending
> positions technically are in the same position.
> How do others handle this? My example situation is the sign for BEFORE
> in ASL that I am transcribing from a video. It starts in neutral space
> with the left hand mostly face down and the back of the right hand
> contacting the back of the left hand and then moving in a backward arc
> over the shoulder and a little past the shoulder. I am trying to
> figure
> out how to show the right hand beginning in a palm face-up orientation
> then ending in a palm facing ! the body orientation. Plus there is the
> question of how to show that it leaves neutral space to go over the
> shoulder.
> Thanks,
> Stuart
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