[sw-l] SWML questions and comments

Wed Oct 13 12:20:13 UTC 2004

Hello Siguno,

   I've had had no time to follow the list as close as I would like, so
I'm not really acquainted with what you are doing. But I will try to
update my knowledge.

   Concerning SWML and SWML-S: in the beginning, I thought it would be
possible to have one single format for SWML, taking care of all
applications. For many reasons (including creative energy from
programmers that want to extend SWML with special features suitable for
their immediate needs) it came out that it was impossible to make
everybody stick to one single SWML format.

   So, in agreement with several programmers, we decided to introduce
the notion of "dialects" for SWML. The idea is that if such dialects do
not differ too much from each other, so that they could be easily
translated among them, it would no be a real problem to have small
different file formats for SWML.

   Thus, SWML/UCPel is my original version of SWML. SWML/D is the
dialect for the Belgian dictionary. SWML/S is Puddle's dialect. Each
dialect is maintained by its own programming team. So questions about
each dialect should be directed to the respective team.

   Regarding SWML/UCPel, the DTD on the page is not the most recent one.
The most recent one is that used in the SW-Edit program. It's not
available on-line, but I can send it to you, if you need it.

   All the best,

   Antônio Carlos

Signuno wrote:

> Dear signwriting list (and blind cc to w3
> international),
>
> Earlier I explained about how
> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/signoskriben.js
> converts simple HTML with glosses into SW images.
>
> Now I just wrote
> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/signoskriben.xml
> which is XSLT to convert SWML(-S?) into SW images.
> It's my first ever XSLT :-)
>
> So I wrote a simple SWML(-S?) page at
> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/swml_kontrolo.xml
> and when I surf to it with a very modern good browser
> (Explorer for example) it displays fine!
>
>
> Okay, some questions and comments.  What's the
> difference between SWML and SWML-S, and why the funny
> version S-1.0 instead of 1.0?  Is the DTD at
> http://swml.ucpel.tche.br/ the most recent?
>
> Using encoding="ISO-8859-1" is deprecated style,
> encoding="UTF-8" is to be recommended.
>
>
>>><?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?>
>>>  <swml version="s-1.0" language="asl"
>>
>>tranlation="english">
>
>
> language="asl" - should that be lang="SGN-US", or
> signlang="SGN-US", or maybe xml:lang="SGN-US"?
> Language is like javascript, lang is human language I
> think.  I guess we've decided on the Everson codes
> (I'm still waiting on a reply about SGN-EO versus
> SGN-epo versus SGN-signuno).
>
> What's translation="english" - is that the language of
> the glosses - should it be translation="en-US", or
> maybe glosslang="en-US"?  The signs could be ASL, and
> the glosses French, yes?
>
> <sign gloss="good?"> is okay for English, but if the
> gloss is in Japanese with RUBY or Arabic with BIDI,
> the SWML will be broken.  You need:
> <sign><gloss>good?</gloss>
>
> You should also allow the glosses to be multilingual:
> <sign><gloss xml:lang="en">good?</gloss><gloss
> xml:lang="fr">bon?</gloss><gloss
> xml:lang="eo">bona?</gloss>
>
> Thanks for listening to my ideas,
> "Signuno".
>
>
>
>
>>>    <sign gloss="good?">
>>>      <symbol x="8"
>>
>>y="24">01-05-011-01-01-01</symbol>
>>
>>>      <symbol x="5"
>>
>>y="0">03-01-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>
>>>      <symbol x="27"
>>
>>y="36">02-05-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>
>>>      <symbol x="4"
>>
>>y="64">08-04-006-01-01-01</symbol>
>>
>>>      <symbol x="24"
>>
>>y="16">08-01-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>
>>>    </sign>
>>>  </swml>
>
>
> See also
> http://w3.org/International/
> http://signwriting.org/
> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/sw-l.html
> http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso639/iana-lang-assignments.html
>
>
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--
Antônio Carlos da Rocha Costa
Escola de Informática - UCPel