[sw-l] Verticle writing with lanes using SWML/S 1.1

Thu Oct 14 14:18:26 UTC 2004

SignWriting List
October 14, 2004

Dear SW List, and Stephen!
THANK YOU for this amazing development, Stephen. This is the first time
that I know of, that any software program will be able to produce
sentences in vertical columns that include the Sign Lanes, that are
necessary to make proper vertical column writing...I was afraid I would
never see the day...but you have changed all that...thank you!

Of course, we need to work through different issues on how to apply
this to typing with Movement Writer, so please ask me to test the use
of this, from a user's perspective...later...when Movement Writer is in
the testing stage...smile...

And for all those on the SW List who have no idea what we are talking
about (grin)...I will try to explain this in a separate message later,
about writing in vertical columns. SignWriter users write in different
directions. Some choose to write from left to right, but Deaf people
who used SignWriting for a decade with me, as our DAC members, in the
1980's and 1990's, requested that we start writing down in vertical
columns. And as time went by, with usage, we found that people were
writing vertical columns by hand, and when they did, the handwriting
showed different Sign Lanes, showing the shifting of body weight over
to one side or the other...and the facial circle was the anchor or
center point for the Sign Lanes...

So Stephen is the first programmer that I know of, who has been able to
tackle the problem of typing down in vertical columns, but choosing
different placements of signs in different Sign Lanes...

smile...

Val ;-)

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On Oct 13, 2004, at 6:47 PM, Stephen Slevinski wrote:

> Hi Signuno, Val, and list,
>
> I have completed the rewrite of SWML/S version 1.1. This version
> includes
> lanes and cleans up some design issues.
>
> To review verticle writing with lanes, check out signWriting.org:
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/grammar/vertical/vert001.html
>
> Specifically, check out the finished sentence on the fourth page:
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/grammar/vertical/vert004.html
>
> I have recreated this sentence with SWML/S 1.1.  You can reveiw the
> SWML/S
> and the output.
> http://oculog.net/swml/dump.php
>
> Notice that the head is centered depending on the lane.
>
> For Adam and other hackers :)
> I changed image.php so that it centers the image based on the head.
> You can
> access this script
> http://www.oculog.net/swml/image.php
>
> -Stephen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu]On Behalf Of Signuno
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:24 AM
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: [sw-l] SWML questions and comments
>
>
> Dear signwriting list (and blind cc to w3
> international),
>
> Earlier I explained about how
> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/signoskriben.js
> converts simple HTML with glosses into SW images.
>
> Now I just wrote
> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/signoskriben.xml
> which is XSLT to convert SWML(-S?) into SW images.
> It's my first ever XSLT :-)
>
> So I wrote a simple SWML(-S?) page at
> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/swml_kontrolo.xml
> and when I surf to it with a very modern good browser
> (Explorer for example) it displays fine!
>
>
> Okay, some questions and comments.  What's the
> difference between SWML and SWML-S, and why the funny
> version S-1.0 instead of 1.0?  Is the DTD at
> http://swml.ucpel.tche.br/ the most recent?
>
> Using encoding="ISO-8859-1" is deprecated style,
> encoding="UTF-8" is to be recommended.
>
>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?>
>>>   <swml version="s-1.0" language="asl"
>> tranlation="english">
>
> language="asl" - should that be lang="SGN-US", or
> signlang="SGN-US", or maybe xml:lang="SGN-US"?
> Language is like javascript, lang is human language I
> think.  I guess we've decided on the Everson codes
> (I'm still waiting on a reply about SGN-EO versus
> SGN-epo versus SGN-signuno).
>
> What's translation="english" - is that the language of
> the glosses - should it be translation="en-US", or
> maybe glosslang="en-US"?  The signs could be ASL, and
> the glosses French, yes?
>
> <sign gloss="good?"> is okay for English, but if the
> gloss is in Japanese with RUBY or Arabic with BIDI,
> the SWML will be broken.  You need:
> <sign><gloss>good?</gloss>
>
> You should also allow the glosses to be multilingual:
> <sign><gloss xml:lang="en">good?</gloss><gloss
> xml:lang="fr">bon?</gloss><gloss
> xml:lang="eo">bona?</gloss>
>
> Thanks for listening to my ideas,
> "Signuno".
>
>
>
>>>     <sign gloss="good?">
>>>       <symbol x="8"
>> y="24">01-05-011-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>       <symbol x="5"
>> y="0">03-01-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>       <symbol x="27"
>> y="36">02-05-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>       <symbol x="4"
>> y="64">08-04-006-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>       <symbol x="24"
>> y="16">08-01-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>     </sign>
>>>   </swml>
>
> See also
> http://w3.org/International/
> http://signwriting.org/
> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/sw-l.html
> http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso639/iana-lang-assignments.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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