[sw-l] A spock handshape? Query

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Wed Sep 29 16:14:42 UTC 2004

SignWriting List
September 29, 2004

Hello Bill and Charles!
Of course you are right, Bill, and we have kissed and made up...Thank 
you!!! smile...

And you are right that email is very hard to write...It is soo easy to 
write something quickly and push the send button, before you have 
reviewed the way the words feel...words are hard to write with the 
correct feeling...So please accept my apology Charles, for 

It is because I feel so responsible for these symbols, and I don't want 
to feel like I have let people down..I would never do that on 

I am getting old, everyone...I forget things more readily these days 
too! So please forgive my over-sensitivity...

Val ;-)


On Sep 29, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Bill Reese wrote:

>  Val,
>  I don't think Charles is criticising or being unkind.  He is being 
> rather direct about his observation and opinion.  It may sound like 
> criticism.  Many times, the subtlety of the English language isn't 
> picked up well by those who are hard of hearing.  I'm constantly being 
> reminded of this myself and seek to find different ways to say 
> things.  I don't want to offend hearing people or late-deafened people 
> who understand the subtleties.   I'm also an engineer, so I tend to 
> analyze something as a problem with a concomitant solution.  Such 
> objectiveness may unwittingly irritate those with subjective 
> sensibilities.
>  Kiss and makeup Charles!  :-)
>  Bill
>  Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
>  September 29, 2004
>  Charles -
>  It feels like you are criticising me for not being perfect and 
> knowing every symbol you need in advance...No one is denying anyone 
> any symbols!...New symbols can be added at any time. All symbols are 
> possible, with my hard work entering all 96 GIFs, and then Stephen's 
> hard work to inserting them....So I am asking that you be patient and 
> kind to me, as I have a lot on my shoulders...
>  I will now answer Signuno next message...Val ;-)
>  ------------------
>  On Sep 29, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>  So, as I suspected 01-05-018 is the correct shape, but the thumb is 
> missing.  This symbol is so ubiquitous in the SF world that we need 
> this shape with the thumb included in the IMWA.  There are a lot of 
> "weird" handshapes, but this particular one is now universal for "live 
> long and prosper".
>  Charles
>  Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
>  SignWriting List
>  September 29, 2004
>  Charles Butler wrote:
>  > 01-05-018-01-02-01 is the closest one I can find. 
>  > This has the two pairs of fingers together, I think.  But I don't 
> see
>  > the thumb.
>  Although searching for symbols in SymbolBank and SignBank Portal 7 is
>  the most accurate way to find a symbol, because it gives you the name
>  and number of each symbol, a very fast and visual way to see the IMWA
>  symbols is to go to SignMaker. It opens with a listing of all 50 
> groups
>  of the IMWA....Then click on a Group symbol to see the BaseSymbols in
>  each group...If you click on the 5 handshape....see next message...
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