[sw-l] A spock handshape?

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Wed Sep 29 18:35:30 UTC 2004

SignWriting List
September 29, 2004

Stephen Slevinski wrote:
> We currently use IMWA version 1.0: major version 1, minor version 0.
> Why do
> you want to jump to version 2.0 with the IMWA?  I think it would make
> sense
> to use IMWA 1.1, since you will be adding to the IMWA, not chaning it
> fundamentally.

Oh. I don't care what we call it. I will leave that to you. It would be
great if we could just call it the IMWA or the sss2004, and just insert
symbols when we need it. I was just trying to explain why I hadn't done
all 27,000 symbols or so yet...that's all...I was using version 2.0 as
a way to explain to Charles and others, that it wasn't finished
yet...so from a programming point of view I would prefer no version
numbers at all...or 1.1 would be fine too...whatever you decide. I
could give you new symbols haphazardly too, and just insert it, and
then no new version numbers at all..we have talked about this so many
times before and nothing has changed...

> With version numbers, you can also add a patch number at the end.
> Patches
> are not full releases and should not require all of the associated
> documentation.

That's fine.

> With Sign Puddle, I can use new symbols as fast as you can give them
> to me.
> We have talked about adding new symbols incrementally, so here is my
> suggestion.

I haven't slept in a long time, and it is clear that my messages have
made people confused today - I am really sorry and just ignore the
messages about version numbers. Mainly I just want people to know that
we can insert new symbols and no one will be deprived of symbols they
need in the long run...

> IMWA 1.0.1 - spock handshape patch
> This patch would be a zip folder containing only 6 symbols.  No
> addditional
> documentation.
> The next patch would be IMWA 1.0.2.  This could be dance or mime or any
> other symbols that are needed.
> When you have enough patches added to warrent a new minor version, you
> can
> create all of the associated documentation and define IMWA 1.1.
> I can have patches up and running with Sign Puddle in a matter of
> minutes.
> Just thinking out loud.  I know you have a lot of your plate.

You are so fantastic and so flexible, and also understanding! Thanks
everyone......and to summarize - I like the idea of giving you new
symbols as they come up, if you can stand that...what I really hope, is
that I can take the months of November and December and do all the
dancewriting and mimewriting too...that way the IMWA really will be the
sss2004...smile...so let us hope that we can do that.

meanwhile, I will leave it to you as to how you want to do the patches
or versions...tell me what you decide so I will use the right
terminolgy in the future.....

I submitted a grant yesterday, Stephen, to the Dr. Seuss Foundation,
and I hope they will give us a little funding! I focused on your
SignMail program, explaining that we hope that Deaf children may
benefit from writing email in both signs and words...that SignMail
might encourage children to learn to read and write...we will keep our
fingers crossed...

I am going to take a walk around the block...anyone want to join me?
smile...I wish you could!!

Val ;-)


> -Stephen
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu]On Behalf Of Valerie Sutton
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:07 PM
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] A spock handshape?
> SignWriting List
> September 29, 2004
> Signuno wrote:
>> Quick question.  I'm looking for the SSS number of
>> this handshape:
>> 5-hand, pinkie+ring together, middle+index together.
>> ( Image at http://geocities.com/signuno/e2_et.gif )
> Dear SW List, Signuno and Charles -
> The handshape you are requesting is not in the IMWA version 1.0, but it
> can be inserted, and it will be, in version 2.0.
> Here is important information. You can get an entire listing of all
> IMWA symbols in a PDF document.
> Download this document:
> IMWA version 1.0
> http://www.SignWriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0160-sss2004-IMWA.pdf
> Go to page 8. At the top you will find the handshape named FlatSplit
> Center. (see attached screen capture)
> FlatSplit Center has this number: 01-05-018-01-02-01. The fourth number
> in that row of numbers (after 018) is 01. It stands for Variation 01.
> That is the first variation of that handshape.
> Your new symbol, with the thumb out, will be called FlatSplit Center
> with Thumb, and it will be 01-05-018-02-02-01 (Variation 02).
> Until your new symbol is added to the IMWA, I hope you will use the
> current Variation 01 instead, since it is the closest number and will
> help you later, when sorting by SSS...
> Hope this helps!  Val ;-)
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