sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Sun Aug 21 22:01:56 UTC 2005
August 21, 2005
Well described, Ingvild, and I bet there are times when all of these
communication-modes seem to loose their boundaries. Sometimes it must
be hard to know where Mouthing stops and loan-signs begin, etc
etc...And you are right about fingerspelling in ASL...I would prefer
Mouthing any day! I have trouble reading other peoples' fast
fingerspelling in ASL...It is the surest way for other Deaf people to
know I am non-Deaf...is the fact that I cannot read fingerspelling
well...Fingerspelling is the way they bring in English words into ASL
- that is correct. Very interesting discussion!
On Aug 21, 2005, at 2:47 PM, Ingvild Roald wrote:
> Yes, this is mouthing. The Euroean sign languages tend to use
> mouthing when they loan (import) from the majority spoken languages
> - and at least in NTS (Nowegian SL), fingerspelling is not used
> much. In ASl, as I understand it, fingerspelling is the preffered
> mode of loaning from English. We may use mouthing also in signs
> that are not loans, then the mouthing will look like no real
> Norwegian word, or at least not the word that would be a
> translation for the sign. These mouthings are still not the
> spesific facial expressions used as adverbials or adjectives or the
> like in the true NTS, they are 'invented loans' or something like
> that (this means that you can find this mouthing only with this
> sign, not used more generally). There has been a master thesis done
> on the spesific facial expressions of NTS, and also on some of the
> 'invented loans'. I think in NISL these things would be called
> multi-modal signs.
>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at signwriting.org>
>> Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] email lessons
>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:34:34 -0700
>> SignWriting List
>> August 21, 2005
>> Ingvild Roald wrote:
>>> I read the mouths of the sign as 'email' - without consulting
>>> Stefan's book, so I might very well be wrong
>>> On Aug 21, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
>>>> Perfect ! Juchuuu -- congrats - Ingvild!!
>> Hello Stefan and Ingvild!
>> I am finally starting to grasp what is happening here between our
>> different signed languages and cultures ...Mundbilder must be what
>> we call Mouthing...
>> I did not read the attached sign as EMAIL, but now that you told
>> me it says that, I am starting to learn your writing of
>> Mouthing...smile...of course that is an English word though...not
>> so sure about the German Mouthing smile...
>> Mouthing, in my terminology, means saying the word silently while
>> signing silently...which is not what I mean when I am talking
>> about the natural facial expressions of true ASL...that is
>> different yet again...that is what Kevin did in One Harbor. Kevin
>> rarely does Mouthing because he doesn't seem to think in English,
>> although he does Mouth a little when teaching hearing people...
>> And Lucinda, who is native to ASL but lives with hearing people,
>> will Mouth to me, and turn to Kevin and turn off the
>> Mouthing...like turning off a faucet! She Mouthed a great deal on
>> the Lessons in SW video series, and got criticized for it by
>> other ASL signers...so in our culture Mouthing is done, but not
>> necessarily considered really good ASL...
>> or am I wrong? Can someone who is skilled in ASL tell me if I am
>> right or wrong? Cultures change fast and the issue of Lucinda's
>> mouthing on that video series was an issue in the mid-1990s...
>> Can you see why I am sooo happy that you are writing the email in
>> your own German signs, Stefan? I am learning about your language,
>> and some of the issues of writing it...And I look forward to
>> studying more email from different countries!
>> No more writing to me in ASL, which is not my language...I live
>> in the world of international thinking...Val ;-)
>> PS. Here is what the terminology is, I believe:
>> 1.GebaerdenSchrift means SignWriting.
>> 2. Mundbilder means Mouthing.
>> 3. Facial Expressions and ASL Mouth Movements that do not have
>> any connection with English words also occur in ASL, but they are
>> not Mouthing.
>> 4. Mundbildschrift is a way to read the movements of the mouth
>> while speaking a spoken language.
>> << Picture5.png >>
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