CZECH Writing arms and shoulders (SKOLA II - SCHOOL)

[nemery at U.WASHINGTON.EDU]

hi Tomas,

thanks for the explanation - that's very clear, and so is the SW.  It helps to know that it 
represents tucking the schoolbag under the arm.

Nancy


On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Tomáš Klapka wrote:

> Hello,
>
> ASL sign YOUNG is made on a chest, isn't it? SKOLA (school) is made in the left 
> underarm.
>
> AFAIK the ethymology (origin) of the sign SKOLA... it is from putting a 
> school-bag (looks little bit like a briefcase, or an attache) into your 
> underarm, between your body and your arm. The right hand represents the bag.
>
> The right hand shape-orientation at the beginning is palm facing down, fingers 
> and palm in 90 degrees and thumb is in free position (doesn't follow the hand).
> There is an axial movement in the wrist of the hand. It is movement back-under 
> and then you touch your armpit. Then you do the movement and touch again.
> So your left arm should not be close to your body.
>
> My try is here:
>
> skola_3
>
> or better try, because there is double movement:
>
> skola_4
>
> Am not sure with SW, but it should be SKOLA in CZJ as I sign it :o) I hope it 
> helps you to understand the sign. Ethymology always helps ;) I have no digital 
> camera here to film the sign. But it is possible to create some short QuickTime 
> MOV files with my camera (which is at my home).
>
> It is interesting that when I think about the sign, I am not sure with the 
> exact signing, but I use it without thinking about it and it works :o) After 
> some minutes thinking about the sign I feel I cannot sign because I am not sure 
> if it is just this way the Deaf people sign it by. :)
>
> Tomas
>
> (If you are interested in czech language, 'skola' is rather written as 
> 'škola', so there is a hook above the s letter. It means that the 's' sound 
> should be softened, so the sound of 'š' is the same as anglish 'sh' or german 
> 'sch'. The pronounciation of the word škola is [shkoh-lah] if you read it as 
> english speaker. Accent is always on the first syllable in czech ;)
>
> Honza wrote:
>
>> in sign SKOLA is mistake in movement. It should be like this:  Honza
>> 
>> Hi Val and Nany, ok I'll try to write it down.
>> 
>> Yes there are on-line dictionary of czech sign language, but it is not very 
>> vell. There are only some signs. It is not real dictionary.
>> I have full dictionary of czech sign language, but not now with me.
>> 
>> The movement in YOUNG and SKOLA (school) is similar (in SKOLA the movement 
>> is up than back and again up), but I don't know where exactly is the 
>> contatct made. In SKOLA the contact is on the side.
>> 
>> maybe SKOLA shoud look like this: (on the top)
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Honza
>> 
>> ------------------
>> 
>> nemery at u.washington.edu wrote: Honza,
>> 
>> this sounds a little like the ASL sign for "young", but with just one hand. 
>> Is the hand brushing upward twice, on the body near the shoulder?  Maybe you 
>> could look up "young" in the ASL dictionary and see if that seems close.  Is 
>> the movement like a circle, or is it mostly an upward movement, and then 
>> going out and down just to return the hand so it can brush up again?
>> 
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Valerie Sutton wrote:
>> 
>>> SignWriting List
>>> August 16, 2005
>>> 
>>> Honza -
>>> I am very bad at reading word descriptions of movement and this one  below 
>>> I really don't understand at all...
>>> 
>>> I thought I remembered that there was an online video dictionary of  Czech 
>>> signs? Am I wrong? I think that is how I saw the sign for Czech  a long 
>>> time ago...so maybe that dictionary has a video of SCHOOL in  Czech Sign 
>>> Language?...Val ;-)
>>> 
>>> PS. Try to write it in SignWriting...it is better to at least show us 
>>> something, rather than using words only...
>>> 
>>> -----------------------
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Honza wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Val,
>>>> 
>>>> thanks for lesson. I think I really don't need shoulder in sign I  am 
>>>> writing now.
>>>> I am trying to write down sign SKOLA (school).
>>>> Right hand goes in to arm-pit, up, out, down, in, up.. Hand touches 
>>>> body not the arm.
>>>> I don't know how to explain it and I don't have avi of that sign  here.. 
>>>> so I hope it is understandable.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks Honza
>>>> 
>>>> Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> August 16, 2005
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Honza and Everyone!
>>>>> I do not know the sign you are writing, Honza, but it is possible 
>>>>> that you do not need the shoulder line at all...Take a look at  the 
>>>>> sign for COMPUTER in ASL that is attached....it shows contact  on the 
>>>>> arm, but not the shoulders, so we didn't bother to write  the 
>>>>> shoulders....just a thought I wanted to share with you...Keep  up the 
>>>>> great work!  Val ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Val ;-)
>>> 
>>> Valerie Sutton
>>> Sutton at SignWriting.org
>>> 
>>> 1. SignWritingSite
>>> http://www.SignWriting.org
>>> Read & Write Sign Languages
>>> 
>>> 2. SignBankSite
>>> http://www.SignBank.org
>>> Sign Language Dictionaries
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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