email lessons

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
August 21, 2005

Well described, Ingvild, and I bet there are times when all of these  
communication-modes seem to loose their boundaries. Sometimes it must  
be hard to know where Mouthing stops and loan-signs begin, etc  
etc...And you are right about fingerspelling in ASL...I would prefer  
Mouthing any day! I have trouble reading other peoples' fast  
fingerspelling in ASL...It is the surest way for other Deaf people to  
know I am non-Deaf...is the fact that I cannot read fingerspelling  
well...Fingerspelling is the way they bring in English words into ASL  
- that is correct. Very interesting discussion!

Val ;-)


On Aug 21, 2005, at 2:47 PM, Ingvild Roald wrote:

> Yes, this is mouthing. The Euroean sign languages tend to use  
> mouthing when they loan (import) from the majority spoken languages  
> - and at least in NTS (Nowegian SL), fingerspelling is not used  
> much. In ASl, as I understand it, fingerspelling is the preffered  
> mode of loaning from English. We may use mouthing also in signs  
> that are not loans, then the mouthing will look like no real  
> Norwegian word, or at least not the word that would be a  
> translation for the sign. These mouthings are still not the  
> spesific facial expressions used as adverbials or adjectives or the  
> like in the true NTS, they are 'invented loans' or something like  
> that (this means that you can find this mouthing only with this  
> sign, not used more generally). There has been a master thesis done  
> on the spesific facial expressions of NTS, and also on some of the  
> 'invented loans'. I think in NISL these things would be called  
> multi-modal signs.
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>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at signwriting.org>
>> Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] email lessons
>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:34:34 -0700
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>> SignWriting List
>> August 21, 2005
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>> Ingvild Roald wrote:
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>>> I read the mouths of the sign as 'email' - without consulting   
>>> Stefan's book, so I might very well be wrong
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>>> On Aug 21, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
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>>>> Perfect ! Juchuuu -- congrats - Ingvild!!
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>> Hello Stefan and Ingvild!
>> I am finally starting to grasp what is happening here between our   
>> different signed languages and cultures ...Mundbilder must be what  
>> we  call Mouthing...
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>> I did not read the attached sign as EMAIL, but now that you told  
>> me  it says that, I am starting to learn your writing of   
>> Mouthing...smile...of course that is an English word though...not  
>> so  sure about the German Mouthing smile...
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>> Mouthing, in my terminology, means saying the word silently while   
>> signing silently...which is not what I mean when I am talking  
>> about  the natural facial expressions of true ASL...that is  
>> different yet  again...that is what Kevin did in One Harbor. Kevin  
>> rarely does  Mouthing because he doesn't seem to think in English,  
>> although he  does Mouth a little when teaching hearing people...
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>> And Lucinda, who is native to ASL but lives with hearing people,  
>> will  Mouth to me, and turn to Kevin and turn off the  
>> Mouthing...like  turning off a faucet! She Mouthed a great deal on  
>> the Lessons in SW  video series, and got criticized for it by  
>> other ASL signers...so in  our culture Mouthing is done, but not  
>> necessarily considered really  good ASL...
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>> or am I wrong? Can someone who is skilled in ASL tell me if I am   
>> right or wrong? Cultures change fast and the issue of Lucinda's   
>> mouthing on that video series was an issue in the mid-1990s...
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>> Can you see why I am sooo happy that you are writing the email in   
>> your own German signs, Stefan? I am learning about your language,  
>> and  some of the issues of writing it...And I look forward to  
>> studying  more email from different countries!
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>> No more writing to me in ASL, which is not my language...I live  
>> in  the world of international thinking...Val ;-)
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>> PS. Here is what the terminology is, I believe:
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>> 1.GebaerdenSchrift means SignWriting.
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>> 2. Mundbilder means Mouthing.
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>> 3. Facial Expressions and ASL Mouth Movements that do not have  
>> any  connection with English words also occur in ASL, but they are  
>> not  Mouthing.
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>> 4. Mundbildschrift is a way to read the movements of the mouth  
>> while  speaking a spoken language.
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