AW: AW: [sw-l] Czech Manual Alphabet - sign for S

[Stefan Wöhrmann]

Hi Valerie and all - 

"So the Czech SignPuddle's fingerspelling writing for the letter S (in  
SignPuddle),  is probably based more on how one really signs it, I  
suspect...but this demonstration photo is beautiful, Stefan! I had  
trouble doing this position smile...I am a foreigner to this  
language, clearly....Val ;-)" 


For me a quite different point is much more in my focus right now - just
think of this attached photo not of any kind of meaningful sign - but just
as a still of any given position of two hands that happened to be seen this
way. 

Now it is your job as a movement -writer - to describe this - what you see
and what you could document in a foto  - with a different notation system -
especially SignWriting. 

What I am interested in is to give anybody including myself the chance to
write what I see - if it works - wonderful - if not - ask Valerie - smile! 

So the other point might be to comunicate about how a specific sign is meant
to be performed. Even therefor a nice easy to understand - distinct -
lexical performance may be helpful - 

Of course during the fluent performance you will "co-sign" and vary your
sign according to the "neighbour-signs" --- 

So the question will be in this case - is the SW - transcription of this
attached "sign" documented in the foto - following the rules?? 

I think so - smile. 

Question number two. What about Czech fingerspelling - is there a sign like
the one documented in the foto - or do they a quite similar sign - and if so
- what would it look like?? 

Stefan ;-) 

... and what are your two letters... p l e a se -- ;-)) 




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[mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. August 2005 17:05
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Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] Czech Manual Alphabet - sign for S

SignWriting List
August 30, 2005

Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
> Attached you find my photo and my SW-transcription -
> What do you think? Change hands?
> Stefan ;-))

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Hello Honza, everyone in the Czech Republic, and Stefan, Ingvild...
Great photo, Stefan (see attached)...

And the Czech SignPuddle is very big now...congrats to all of you!

Regarding writing fingerspelling in SignWriting...

There are two ways to write it...

1. Demonstration fingerspelling, like the attached photo - the way  
hearing people are usually taught to fingerspell
2. Fast Fingerspelling handshapes that happen while fingerspelling at  
speed

The latter is what I chose for writing ASL fingerspelling. The ASL  
Fingerspelling Keyboard in SignWriter DOS and Java, for example, is  
based on how the hand looks when you fingerspell quickly in ASL. You  
cannot get your hands into perfect positions at all times, like  
demonstration fingerspelling does...

So the Czech SignPuddle's fingerspelling writing for the letter S (in  
SignPuddle),  is probably based more on how one really signs it, I  
suspect...but this demonstration photo is beautiful, Stefan! I had  
trouble doing this position smile...I am a foreigner to this  
language, clearly....Val ;-)