BRAZIL tongue position inside the mouth

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Charles and Valerie,

              Obrigado em me fazer entender com meus emails to Valerie.
               
              Thank you to help to became understandable my emails to Valerie.
              Soon I will answer  your email and the Valerie, but i need, read and re read many times in order to understand And write and re write  to make me understand.  
              Augusto
                 

            
                    

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charles Butler 
  To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [sw-l] BRAZIL tongue position inside the mouth


  I've been really swamped at work, but my hope is to get some more signs in over the next two weeks.  Its' really fun to do, and my printer is finally working again so I can put the signs in.

  Charles

  (i lost my password as an editor -- again, so I can't fix some of the older signs).

  Charles


  Valerie Suutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
    SignWriting List 
    November 19, 2005


    Augusto - I just found out that you are already an Editor of the SignPuddle dictionary! That is great news ;-) So you do not have to sign up again...you have already done that ;-) Sorry for my confusion...


    Charles -
    Yes...I need to work on other projects, like getting the new upload for SignBank on the web, so we can work on your dictionary publication! So I think it would be great if Augusto and others can try to write what they need with the symbols in SignMaker in SignPuddle, and add them to the Brazilian SignPuddle themselves, even though they are only mouth movements or speech-related symbols...that can be marked as such, in the dictionary...Then, post an example to our List here and we can have fun discussing it!


    I hope you can add a few of the signs from your dictionary project into the Brazilian SignPuddle too, so that when I start teaching how to create multi-lingual dictionaries with SignBank, we can use a few examples from your dictionary document, to test it, etc...smile...


    And regarding Mouth Movements...remember looking at the work of Stefan Woehrmann...even though that is for the German spoken language mouth movements, it still is a fascinating system (Mundbildschrift) that is working with Deaf children in Germany...


    SignWriting in Germany
    http://www.SignWriting.org/germany


    Val ;-)


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    On Nov 19, 2005, at 8:10 AMM, Charles Butler wrote:


      I guess, Valerie, what he's wanting to show is the difference between "velar" (the tongue at the roof of the mouth (like where it goes for a k or a g) and alveolar (like the letters t or d) or gutteral (like the gh in Arabic) or glottal (like the sound h). I know you can show labio-fricative (like for f or v) but I'm not sure if you can show the "sh" position of the teeth and the tongue.  The fourth column only shows the tongue inside the mouth, it doesn't distinguish, that I can see, between these many positions, and from a distance, I'm not sure it can.  There may be a way, I'm just not sure that I have seen it through the years with sign writing.  There may be a good way to adapt what we have to that usage.

      Charles Butler

      Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
        Si! gnWriting List
        November 19, 2005

        Augusto wrote:
        > How can I write with SW the tongue´s position inside the mouth? 
        > It´s possible?

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        Hello Augusto!
        I just sent you another email privately, inviting you to become an 
        Editor of the Brazilian SignPuddle. I sent it to this email address:

        Augusto at dicionariolibras.com.br

        Is that the correct email address? I sent this before...a long time 
        ago...but I don't believe you got it...anyway...be sure to click on 
        the link in the email-invitation to establish your password, so you 
        can start adding signs to the Brazilian SignPuddle...

        Now...regarding your question...Yes. We do have many Tongue symbols. 
        Go to your SignPuddle:

        Brazilian SignPuddle
        http://www.SignBank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR

        and click on the SignMaker icon. Then click on this symbol, and other 
        symbols appear...They are the Tongue symbols...see attached diagram. 
        T! ongue on the inside of the mouth is the fourth column over to the 
        right...hope this helps...



        





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