LESSONS in SignSpelling and SignPuddle

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Mon Oct 24 19:25:02 UTC 2005

SignWriting List
October 24, 2005

Hello Anny and also Steve -
Maybe Steve can have other suggestions...

But for me, after I change the sign's name in SignPuddle, and I press  
the Rename Button, I then have to press the Refresh Button several  
times in my web browser, sometimes two or three times, before the web  
browser can empty the cache, so that you see what is really there...

As you know, web browsers hold the memory of what you saw before, in  
the cache. So even when a name is changed, that cache will make you  
see what was there before, even though internally the change was  
made...so when you press the refresh button on your browser, and it  
takes several times pressing refresh...then the cache is emptied and  
you see what you really have...

When I make a small change in SignPuddle, I press the refresh button  
three times and I see the sign change before my eyes to the new one...

Which browser are you using?  Val ;-)


Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
> when. as an editor, I do exactly what you describe above...  
> everything works fine till I get to N° 11... when I do remame My  
> new sign (the one I just entered) and use the name of the sign I  
> just deleted... then on the screen I see the old version of the  
> sign (the one I just deleted...) and there's no way I can get back  
> to the one I changed and renamed as "Hello4"
> whant am I doing wrong ?
> Anny
> De : "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at signwriting.org>
> Répondre à : sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Date : Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:15:16 -0700
> À : sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Objet : Re: [sw-l] LESSONS in SignSpelling
> SignWriting List
> October 16, 2005
> Hello Kathleen, Stefan, Ingvild, and Everyone!
> I want to thank all of you for being so open to changing and  
> improving your dictionaries online. It means a lot to see that  
> these Rules are helping, and I feel encouraged...I particularly  
> want to thank Stefan, for encouraging me to start teaching again  
> with the eLessons...and Honza too...thanks for that...sometimes I  
> need that encouragement...so I hope you all will keep informing me  
> of what you need...
> You are right, that new writers would never think of such  
> rules...it takes skilled writers, who already have some experience,  
> to realize the importance of them, so I think you are moving into a  
> more advanced understanding of the structure of writing  
> movement...that is good, because as SignWriting spreads in Belgium,  
> Kathleen, newcomers could have an easier experience, if they know  
> these rules in advance...as one of the pioneers, you have to go  
> back to fix the spellings...ugh! smile ;-)
> Actually, so do we in the US...our ASL SignPuddle needs a lot of  
> cleaning too!!
> How to make changes in SignPuddle? Here is how I personally do it:
> 1. I go to Dictionary Editors, and login as an Editor.
> 2. Then, I scroll up to the top of the Dictionary Editor section to  
> search for the sign I want to clean...let us pretend: I search for  
> the sign HELLO.
> 3. I find three signs for HELLO...they are HELLO, HELLO_2, HELLO_3.
> 4. I push the LOAD button for one of them, and sometimes I have to  
> refresh my screen to see the loaded sign...
> 5. I now have the sign in SignMaker, ready to be changed. I make  
> the change. I save the sign to the dictionary still using the SAME  
> name HELLO.
> 6. SignPuddle automatically puts a number on the end of it...it  
> becomes HELLO_4.
> 7. I then click on the Dictionary Editors icon again and once again  
> search for HELLO.
> 8. Let us imagine I want to replace the first HELLO with the new  
> one I just created...
> 9. First, I delete the first HELLO.
> 10. Then I scroll down and find the new HELLO that is named HELLO_4.
> 11. I Rename that new one, to become HELLO without any number. Push  
> the Rename button.
> 12. Then press the Refresh button on your browser at least TWO times.
> 13. Your new sign is now the first one on the list, and is no  
> longer number 4...
>  Everytime you want to replace a sign, you load it, change it, and  
> re-save it with the same name and then go back and delete the  
> original and rename the new one...
> Hope that helps!
> Val ;-)
> --------------------
> Kasterlinden Bilinguaal wrote:
> I'll print out these rules and will tape them next to the computers  
> at my school so people who create new signs will not forget the  
> rules ;) Also at home ;)
> Now the rules are much clearer , when I started creating signs I  
> didn't think about all this. So I'll have to go through all the  
> signs we made in the Flemish signpuddle to correct the signs, and  
> I'll have to make adjustments to the Goldilocks documents.
> Have you any tips for me how to work fast and efficient with  
> signpuddle? Because when I make a mistake usually I go to the  
> puddle and log in as editor... then I load the sign and make the  
> change. I have to save it under a different name or the same name  
> with '_2' added. And then go through the 'delete' and 'change the  
> name again' process.
> Greetings Kathleen

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