Private message...

[Valerie Sutton]

Hello Stefan!
I just have to tell you how I feel ---ok?! Just to show you how it  
feels to be in my postion...

so read this with a smile...

Val feels regarding the 10 hanshape:

Yes. I regret it too, but I also regret that you did not inform me  
when you made the change to the SignWriter DOS symbolset! You changed  
the symbol by constructing the symbol, and then just assumed that  
others had that construction, when they did not...

And you keep saying that you love SignWriter DOS...but you were not  
using the real DOS symbolset because you had constructed symbols that  
were not in the original DOS symbolset...so anyone using SignWriter  
Python is using the old symbols that you do not like!

Just because we discussed this five years ago, does not mean we  
decided to change the symbol officially in all those computer  
programs...there was no official decision for change that I remember...

You never told me you were writing differently, until well after your  
book went to press...so you have to realize that when you make  
changes, you have to inform me well in advance...and that goes for  
anyone, including the Parkhursts...just because they publish  
something does not mean that they had informed me! Which of course is  
quite stressful, although I have lived with this problem for 30  
years...and that is ok...it means that we have a living writing  
system and that is wonderful...

I am happy to make changes to the writing system, but everytime you  
make changes without informing me, I am the one stuck teaching the  
old way...and that is not fair either!

I know you care about me, and you care about SignWriting...and we are  
team members...but as a team, I need to be told when you jump and  
make changes...

let's keep this private please -

regarding photos - I am not able to take photos like you - I have  
never used a camera in my life - maybe I have to learn, but to be  
frank with you, there are times when I do not want to continue I am  
so tired...so I do not have your energy..so I make no promises  
regarding taking photos...and I cannot even imagine what you are  
doing...you have to show me visually someday without explaining it in  
words...

OK. So I will make changes to the IMWA when I can - Thanks for  
informing me about your feelings...

Many blessings with all your work -

Val ;-)

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On Sep 4, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

> Hi Val and sw-list
>
> almost    five years ago we discussed the same problem. ;-)  Nov  
> 13, 2000
>
> Since then I prefer the different spelling of the thumb - and since  
> then I
> never got confused again - but whenever I see the thumb on top of  
> the fist -
> with no gap although the hand is not pararllel to the floor -- my  
> brain
> really has to work hard ...
>
> So - I prefer very much the other spelling with the thumb to the  
> right if it
> is pointing to the face !! - or even the dot! although I do not use  
> that
> personally - but I regret that there is this other spelling option  
> as well -
> on top - ( it does not fit into my concept - it does not fit into the
> concept of the Parkhursts as well --- ;-((
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Valerie  
> Sutton
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. September 2005 22:10
> An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Europa :-)
>
> SignWriting List
> September 4, 2005
>
>   Lucyna Dlugolecka wrote:
>
>> Ok, so I'll dispense with that symbol.
>>
>
> Wonderful. That will simplify the writing a little.
>
> And then the 10 handshape...the one with the thumb sticking out...It
> is a weird handshape that is one of our oldest and it probably needs
> to be improved in the IMWA...but for right now, let me show you why
> it is so hard to read...here is an accurate way to read it:
>
> See E-Lesson
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less016.html
>
> The design of the symbol is not like other symbols and it is
> continually creating confusions for us...
>
> This diagram might help for now...if you place your hand in the Flat
> hand position and then bend it into a fist, then rotate the hand to
> the position you want...I guess your writing would place the knuckles
> (the bent fingers) toward the left? smile
>
>
> <thumb.gif>
>