New 10 Handshape in SignPuddle now!

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
September 28, 2005

Charles -
Did you know that Ingvild Roald has known SignWriting since 1982? She  
has used SignWriting since she learned about it in Denmark in 1982,  
and has taught SignWriting since 1988 in the Norwegian Schools. And  
right now, Ingvild is teaching SignWriting at universities in Norway...

Ingvild's statement is 100 per cent correct related to the way we use  
SignWriting today. Today we are writing the way Ingvild stated.  
Ingvild was just following the rules of the writing system as it is  
today, not back in 1985.

Val ;-)

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On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:12 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Well, I respectfully disagree.  With a shaded heel hand, you only  
> have two hands that require a broken line because they are both  
> split and forward, everything else is a split hand, as a heel  
> hand.  I am apparently using a heel hand, which is the oldest hand  
> in Sign Writing for a hand seen on edge looking forward, going back  
> to the beginning of Valerie's system, in 1985.  It seems the  
> easiest, and quickest way to write, as a heel hand with the line  
> for the thumb in an ordinary fashion showing the side where it  
> actually is.  It's quick, it's easy, and requires looking only  
> where the back of the hand is. It makes it simple and easy.  There  
> is only one hand on the drawing that I did wrong, when I showed the  
> thumb pointing toward the reader.  That should be split without a  
> circle in the center.   The rest are fast, and easy, and much  
> easier, for me, to write, and read, than anything else people have  
> come up with.
>
> Charles
>
> Ingvild Roald <iroald at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Hi Charles and all,
>
> we have to remember that we have two viewpoints to choose from  
> (this has
> nothing to do receptive or expressive), the *forward* view and the  
> *bird's
> perspective*. When we write the *forward* view, the hand symbol is  
> whole, it
> is not broken. When we write the *bird's pesrpective*, the hand  
> symbol has a
> broken line. Shade in *bird's perspective* means back of hand down,
> half-shade means back of hand to the side (or forward or back,  
> depending).
> So you cannot go by shade alone, you have to see shade *and*
> whole-or-broken. Thus some of the symbols in this drawing are wrong
>
>
> Ingvild
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Charles Butler"
> >Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >Subject: Re: [sw-l] New 10 Handshape in SignPuddle now!
> >Date:! Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:53:23 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Try this. ALL THUMBS
> >
> >
> >
> >Valerie Sutton wrote:
> >SignWriting List
> >September 27, 2005
> >
> >On Sep 27, 2005, at 8:59 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
> > > 05-03, the shadow is wrong as the palm of the hand is by that
> > > shadow facing down, not up. It's the same shadow as 02-03, and it
> > > should be opposite.
> >
> >Hello Charles -
> >You have a misunderstanding of how the overhead view is read, because
> >this diagram is absolutely correct! Of course they must have the same
> >shading, otherwise it would be incorrect...they cannot be
> >opposite...so there is nothing wrong about it! I will try to create a
> >diagram for you tomorrow to help you understand it...05 is seen from
> >overhead with the baby finger to the floor, and it has the baby
> >finger to the floor as it rotates around...and you are lookin! g  
> on top
> >and seeing the thumb projecting straight at you...words are no
> >good...pictures will help tomorrow...smile...Val ;-)
> >
> >PS. 05 is exactly like the S hand...think of the S hand parallel to
> >the floor... the dark is on top because you are looking from
> >above...it is like the side of the hand, except seen from
> >above...smile...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> ><< thumbsall.JPG >>
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