New 10 Handshape in SignPuddle now!

[Charles Butler]

Well, I still think it's easier to read.  It requires one view of the hand, not multiple.  It keeps it simple and concise.  I still don't understand.  I can read anything you show me, but it still is less confusing.  
 
Sometimes bird's eye view for one hand is much easier than incorporating into the whole sign because the handshape is clearer.  
 
The heel hand is faster, does not require any circles, I dont' understand why it is wrong.
 


Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
SignWriting ListSeptember 28, 2005


Charles -
Did you know that Ingvild Roald has known SignWriting since 1982? She has used SignWriting since she learned about it in Denmark in 1982, and has taught SignWriting since 1988 in the Norwegian Schools. And right now, Ingvild is teaching SignWriting at universities in Norway...


Ingvild's statement is 100 per cent correct related to the way we use SignWriting today. Today we are writing the way Ingvild stated. Ingvild was just following the rules of the writing system as it is today, not back in 1985.


Val ;-)


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On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:12 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

Well, I respectfully disagree.  With a shaded heel hand, you only have two hands that require a broken line because they are both split and forward, everything else is a split hand, as a heel hand.  I am apparently using a heel hand, which is the oldest hand in Sign Writing for a hand seen on edge looking forward, going back to the beginning of Valerie's system, in 1985.  It seems the easiest, and quickest way to write, as a heel hand with the line for the thumb in an ordinary fashion showing the side where it actually is.  It's quick, it's easy, and requires looking only where the back of the hand is. It makes it simple and easy.  There is only one hand on the drawing that I did wrong, when I showed the thumb pointing toward the reader.  That should be split without a circle in the center.   The rest are fast, and easy, and much easier, for me, to write, and read, than anything else people have come up with.
 
Charles

Ingvild Roald <iroald at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Hi Charles and all,

we have to remember that we have two viewpoints to choose from (this has 
nothing to do receptive or expressive), the *forward* view and the *bird's 
perspective*. When we write the *forward* view, the hand symbol is whole, it 
is not broken. When we write the *bird's pesrpective*, the hand symbol has a 
broken line. Shade in *bird's perspective* means back of hand down, 
half-shade means back of hand to the side (or forward or back, depending). 
So you cannot go by shade alone, you have to see shade *and* 
whole-or-broken. Thus some of the symbols in this drawing are wrong


Ingvild





>From: "Charles Butler" 
>Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>Subject: Re: [sw-l] New 10 Handshape in SignPuddle now!
>Date:! Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:53:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Try this. ALL THUMBS
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>Valerie Sutton wrote:
>SignWriting List
>September 27, 2005
>
>On Sep 27, 2005, at 8:59 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
> > 05-03, the shadow is wrong as the palm of the hand is by that
> > shadow facing down, not up. It's the same shadow as 02-03, and it
> > should be opposite.
>
>Hello Charles -
>You have a misunderstanding of how the overhead view is read, because
>this diagram is absolutely correct! Of course they must have the same
>shading, otherwise it would be incorrect...they cannot be
>opposite...so there is nothing wrong about it! I will try to create a
>diagram for you tomorrow to help you understand it...05 is seen from
>overhead with the baby finger to the floor, and it has the baby
>finger to the floor as it rotates around...and you are lookin! g on top
>and seeing the thumb projecting straight at you...words are no
>good...pictures will help tomorrow...smile...Val ;-)
>
>PS. 05 is exactly like the S hand...think of the S hand parallel to
>the floor... the dark is on top because you are looking from
>above...it is like the side of the hand, except seen from
>above...smile...
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