Symbol consistancy?

Charles Butler chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Thu Aug 24 01:04:42 UTC 2006

As long as the coding captures what I'm looking for, that's GREAT! More than I could have hoped for!
  Now I just need to get my password to editing and 2.0 again.  Sigh.

Valerie Sutton <sutton at> wrote:
  SignWriting List
August 23, 2006

Charles Butler wrote:
> I guess I am confused. I was under the impression that in 
> building, for example, a Sign Symbol Sequence you'd be picking an 
> exact handshape and palm facing with only one possible code per 
> handshape/palm facing, not a mirror image of a possible shape. If 
> one sorts by handshape, how can one be certain one is getting the 
> handshape AND rotation one has requested if the system doesn't 
> contain the coding for a particular handshape, hand (right or left) 
> and rotation. I guess that it is the encoding system for the 
> computer program that I'm curious about. If it is built by a 
> drawing system, then conceivably you'd only need one handshape per 
> handshape, the rest would be flips, mirrors, mathematical 
> rotations, and fill ins.

The encoding of the SSS works beautifully as we have it right now, 
even with this issue of 10 palm facings. First, using the Mirror Key 
does give you the proper SSS ID number for the flopped version of using those keys still gives you ID numbers. Second, since we 
had no choice but to have 6 palm facings and not 10 palm facings, in 
the SSS for computers, I chose to include the most commonly used palm 
facings out of the 10...I went through and counted how many times we 
had used some of the 10 palm facings that are not there, and it was 
less than 1 per cent of the time...very very it would take 
a huge amount of signs using that one palm facing in the dictionary, 
before there would be any conflict and we are talking about so many 
other variables within the spelling of a sign that the chances of 
this hitting us are slight...maybe after we have sorted dictionaries 
with 10,000 entries by SSS...not by spoken languages...maybe by that 
time we will know more about this issue...if it is really necessary 
for us to expand to 10 palm facings, that will be a great detriment 
to SignWriting software development because there will be too many there may be another technical way to tweak this issue 
when it really arises...

So far there are only two computer programs that can produce sorting 
dictionaries by SSS using the IMWA as it is designed right now...that 
is SignBank8 and SignPuddle 1.5 or later...right now we are all using 
SignPuddle 1.0...but when Steve comes out with 1.5 you will be able 
to play with some of this to get your own answers!!

Remember there is already an alpha test version of 1.5 on the 
web...and you already played with the spelling column a little, you know, the editor of the dictionary can tweak each 
spelling manually to make it sort there is flexibility 
with it if you find such a glitch, then you can rectify it 
yourself in the Spelling Column...when we have 1.5 released I will be 
teaching everyone about SignSpellings for sorting dictionaries...

So far I have only sorted by SSS with around 500 to 1000 signs, so I 
do not have enough experience to know about some of the glitches is a real adventure and I look forward to the challenge 
of sorting large dictionaries by SSS!!

No matter what, for the first time in history, there is software to 
create dictionaries sorted by SSS and that is an accomplishment...

Thanks for your input, Charles -

Val ;-)

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