Boat_3

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
December 1, 2006

Everyone -

First, the detail in this symbol is not necessary when writing  
SignWriting for everyday use. I am convinced of that. For research  
use, it is good to have the symbol, but I personally never use it  
when writing everyday...the shading is too hard for handwriting...and  
even when reading, you have to think about it a minute, and that is  
not good for everyday reading...

Second, there is another detailed symbol that I prefer, that has not  
been mentioned here...but again...I would not use it for everyday  
use. I never explained this second symbol well enough for people to  
understand it..I know if you understood it, you would like it better  
than the one we have been discussing, but I have to find a way to  
explain this second symbol better...

You know this second symbol, Adam...it is what I call the Heel of the  
Hand. Like looking at the Heel of the Foot....but the Heel of the  
Hand symbol is the view of the wrists...with the rest of the hand  
hiding behind the wrists...and then you place markers on the symbol  
that tell you what the actual handshape itself is...but you are only  
looking at the heel of the wrist, so you can see the half-angle of  
the hand...It really works if you understand the logic behind it -  
but again, it is not necessary either...we are writing well with what  
we are using now...

So I will write that second handshape next message..

Meanwhile Ron, you don't have to use these detailed symbols - they  
are for research and are not good for writing the Bible - they are  
too hard for the everyday reader.... Val ;-)


On Dec 1, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

> Well Rev,
> I think you hit on why this palm point of view has not been used that
> much. It is really complex. I used to wonder the same thing; why not
> make the handshape thinner; why not make the handshape "angular" as
> done in perpective drawing; or why not even make it so that the black
> is "1/4" of the hand. But then I realized that because technology at
> the time of the development of the symbols was very limited, and it
> still is in the sense of what we need for SW. All of thoes questions
> are good, but the problem is that the handshaps will look like other
> handshape, ie the hindge hand. So considering that and trying to make
> reading at most ease, the best thing would be to make the black area
> 1/4. The thing to remember is that this isn't really needed much, and
> nature of the complexitity of the angle with make the handshape
> complex and therefore more advance. The concept is a little abstract,
> but it is still simple to understand. I hope this helped.
> Adam
>
> On 12/1/06, Ronald Dettloff <signpreach at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Okay, I looked at the pages but it seems to me that I am only  
>> seeing white,
>> the back part of my hands are unseen. Here is a suggestion: In the  
>> sign for
>> boat the part of the hand furthest from the eyes and touching the  
>> other hand
>> could be shaded or their might me a way to move the "b" hand to  
>> appear
>> "skinnier" than when it is fully flat?
>>
>> Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote: SignWriting List
>> November 30, 2006
>>
>> You know, those handshapes are rarely used...
>>
>> But Stuart, you are correct that when there is more white in the
>> symbol, you are seeing more of the palm of the hand, and when there
>> is more black, you are seeing more of the back of the hand.
>>
>> So in the sign for BOAT, you are seeing more of the palm. I have now
>> added my version to the US SignPuddle:
>>
>>
>>
>> Has this answered your question, Stuart?
>>
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>> Rev. Ronald H. Dettloff, 20880 Ten Mile Road, St. Clair Shores, MI  
>> 48080
>> Other Web links:
>> http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp
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