LIBRAS sign for mental confusion

Charles Butler chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Mon Dec 11 17:58:11 UTC 2006

Ah, now I see what I did wrong, let me try this again. It´s not off the shoulder at all. I dropped in a facial expression of eyebrows down, mouth in a circle, but with the shoulders across and the nose shown.  Only from above can you see the hands at shoulder width (or at least head width) come into the center line and hold while wiggling) and show which hand is primary.  One could continue this sign switching hands in a circle back and forth, which becomes even more elaborate.

Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
  SignWriting List
December 11, 2006

Hello Charles!
Thank you for your message. Glad you are enjoying your time in 
Brazil, and say hi to Steve Parkhurst for us!

Regarding this sign, it does not say anything about being in front of 
the nose. There is no nose written at all in your writing, so if you 
hadn't mentioned that, I wouldn't have realized that was what you 

The circle with the shoulders says you are facing the side wall. But 
you placed the hands to the side of the right shoulder, so I thought 
the sign was being produced to the side of the shoulder. If you want 
to view the side view of the nose, then you need the side-view of the 
nose symbol, and then the hands are placed directly in front of the below. I placed these in SignPuddle for you...numbers 3 
and 4..and notice the palm facing changes because our viewpoint 


On Dec 11, 2006, at 4:25 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> I saw this sign during a theatrical production at the TISLR9 
> conference in Florianopolis. It was so good to see old friends 
> there, and to finally meet Stephen Parkhurst whom I have read about 
> all these years. I will send pictures later, but this sign had to 
> be written down.
> This seems to be the easiest way to picture the hands in front of 
> the nose in front of each other, wiggling and passing back and 
> forth across the center line to capture the mind.
> I have stored it confusão_2 in the Brazilian Sign Language dictionary.
> I am now down here in Canoas for a month to get some papers 
> together and hope to spend a lot of time with the several Deaf 
> clubs in the area.
> Charles
> Adam Frost wrote:
> Don't worry about rambling because that was exactly what I needed. I
> realize that some of what I had written was wrong, which what my guts
> were telling me. :-) Now I have something more concrate than just my
> guts. (And if I want to teach others, relying on guts is never good.
> Hehe)
> Adam
> On 12/9/06, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > December 9, 2006
> >
> > Adam Frost wrote:
> > > Yes! That looks great. Seeing this icon brings up a question I had
> > > when I was doing some hand writting (for quick and simplicity). 
> When
> > > you have a close (or any other finger movement) and you only 
> write one
> > > handshape, which is the position that should be written? I 
> thought it
> > > was the initial, but here you have the final. Was I wrong?
> >
> > Hello Adam!
> > I am glad you asked this question. It is not always the beginning
> > position. Not at all, in fact. Sometimes it is, but most of the time
> > it is other rules that govern the choice...
> >
> > Writing both the beginning and ending positions is the most accurate
> > or course...
> >
> > But when you want to shorten the writing of a sign, and you must
> > choose one or the other, you choose:
> >
> > 1. The Position of Contact...see Spelling Rule:
> >
> >
> > or if there is no contact....
> >
> > 2. The Position of Focus (the position that holds the most meaning)
> >
> > Number 2 needs a web page with a spelling rule written for
> > isn't that is the fact that just the V hands by themselves
> > could mean many things, but the result of the bending of the fingers
> > is what tells you the information that you grabbed something, and so
> > the ending position of the bending of the fingers are the result of
> > the meaning of the sign...
> >
> > Think about reading something quickly for meaning...what is most
> > meaningful, like the contact in a sign, is what is most
> > important...and seeing that contact is what is needed first and
> > contacting your chest twice...we don't write the 
> hand
> > far away from the chest first...we instead write the position of
> > contact on the chest...but that is the second position...the landing
> > on the chest is not the first we write the second
> > position more than the first position actually although most people
> > don't think about it...
> >
> > smile...I hope I have made myself clear...sorry for rambling on and
> > on - Val ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >

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