Square Fist Symbol in SignMaker

Tue Dec 12 22:38:08 UTC 2006

I have to admit. Dos was a little hard for a person not very familiar
with the symbols. It was for me. So I think that the Drag and Drop
will still be invalueable even if there is a way to type. It would be
like trying to type Japanese.  However, once you know the symbols,
typing can be a great asset to have. Especially if you are a speed
typist. I know that the drag n drop will always be advailible (and it
should), but I also look forward to when SignPuddle has the ability to
type. But in the mean time,  I am content. :-)

Adam

On 12/12/06, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2006
>
> Hello Stuart, Cherie -
> Yes, drag and drop works well for people who are new to SignWriting.
> It also works well for people like me who knows exactly where the
> symbols are located. I believe it is slower for others partly because
> there are so many symbols for so many professions in the IMWA in
> SignPuddle, and partly because people do not know where I placed the
> symbols!
>
> Thank you, Stuart, for saying you liked my Typing design. That means
> a lot to me so I grinned when I read that...it is good to know.
>
> Yes...a great deal has to do with training. As you know, in my
> generation, here in the US, when I went to high school back in the
> 1960's, we learned how to type English. I attended special Typing
> classes to become so skilled at typing that you did not have to look
> down at your hands and that you typed at a certain amount of words
> per minute. I was a fast typist in high school and could have become
> a professional secretary in those days...there were no personal
> computers yet...so most offices hired secretaries to type letters on
> what we consider today to be old typewriters!
>
> So later, those skills influenced the typing design with SignWriter DOS.
>
> SignWriter DOS was historically the first sign processor, or SW
> typewriter, but there will be others in the future. Right now,
> SignPuddle-SignText has pioneered new ground in a different way...it
> has given us vertical writing with Lanes...that never existed in
> SignWriter DOS. When we adapt the old SignWriter DOS typing system to
> the new writing in vertical Lanes, we will have to change the typing
> system slightly to match the new formats...
>
> Other than that, the current drag and drop is similar to the old
> typing system in the sense that there are groups of symbols with
> other symbols hidden underneath...plus the special Command Keys with
> Rotate, Mirror etc are still there in SignPuddle...
>
> I propose that we start talking about Handwriting symbols...I am
> creating a chart with the Handwriting techniques that we discussed by
> videophone last Friday...
>
> So watch for the next message on Handwriting...hopefully by tomorrow
> morning I will post it to the List. Today I am going Christmas
> shopping with my Mom!
>
> Happy Holidays everyone!
>
> Val ;-)
>
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> Learning to type in typing classes taught me a lot about that
> process...t
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> On Dec 12, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> > Interesting. I know Philip likes drag and drop. I am a keyboardist.
> > I miss the keyboarding as well. I never had a problem with learning
> > the SW-DOS keyboard. Valerie had a very excellent design once you
> > grasped her system. I'm looking forward to having both available in
> > SignPuddle/SignText. I think it all goes back to training. If we
> > all had the training, we could have used it efficiently just like
> > we use the English keyboard. I suspect most of us are QWERTY
> > typists, but there are people who say they can type faster with
> > Dvorak. So, it all goes back to training and learning the system
> > well. :)
> > Thanks,
> > Stuart
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2006, at 14:02, CWren at doe.k12.ga.us wrote:
> >> I personally like the drag and drop.  I tried to learn SW back
> >> when it was SW DOS, and gave up, as I couldn't learn the keyboard
> >> and find the symbols.  I also like to be able to place the symbols
> >> in relation to each other in drag and drop... I don't think you
> >> could do that with a keyboard system--   Granted it isn't really
> >> quick enough to be viable as a writing system for me, yet, but Val
> >> can do it quickly-- as her demo showed.
> >>
> >>  I just did my first real try at handwriting, and am quite pleased
> >> with the results.  Its excellent for planning out what I will be
> >> doing in a 'performance'.  (I will be signing/interpreting the
> >> Twelve Days of Christmas for a program tomorrow, and wanted to be
> >> able to have a cheat sheet on hand to practice with...)
> >>
> >>  ---------------------------------
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> >> 12/12/2006 02:05 PM
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> >> Re: [sw-l] Square Fist Symbol in SignMaker
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> >> Yes, please, I second that!
> >>  There's a lot to like about drag and drop ... but as a touch-
> >> typist myself, drag-and-drop does not feel like "writing" when I
> >> want to put something directly from my head into a document.
> >>  Hope your time in Brazil is going excellently, Charles!
> >>  Sounds like great things going on there.
> >>  -- Kim from Boston
> >>
> >> On 12/12/06, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I really am looking forward to the day that we are back to a
> >> typing rather than a drag and drop system for Sign Writing.  Drag
> >> and drop takes forever, and typing with specific sequences helps
> >> one to memorize the system much better.  I know that the DOS
> >> system and Windows 98 are no longer supported but they really
> >> could do a lot of things well, even though they didn´t save into
> >> SignBank or IMWA.
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> >> Just my opinion (I have been a speed typist since I was 14) as I
> >> would like to be able to duplicate that speed in sign writing,
> >> which would show a distinct advantage in showing the applicability
> >> of an equivalent system for reproduction as typing is to spoken
> >> language.
> >>
> >> Charles Butler
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> >>  Valerie Sutton < Sutton at SignWriting.org> wrote:
> >> SignWriting List
> >>  December 12, 2006
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> >>  On Dec 12, 2006, a question from a SignPuddle user:
> >>  > I tried to find just plain Square symbol but i cannot find it ...
> >>  > all square symbols have lines attached it ... i just want a plain
> >>  > square because it is fist hand...
> >>
> >>  Thank you for your question. You looked in the correct place. The
> >>  very LAST symbol, has no thumb lines attached. It is a plain
> >>  square...See attached diagram...
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