AW: [sw-l] Remove using 5-hand or heel

Stefan Wöhrmann stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE
Thu Dec 14 20:39:42 UTC 2006

Hi Charles and sw –list, 


I agree with what Charles said. 


>From my point of view there is no need to add this “Heel of Hand” symbol in
any spelling that is possible to write with the flat hand parallel to the

There are two reasons – first of all I would love to keep the symbol-set at
a minimum size  -  second: it is what Charles said – the more the brain has
to work in order to identify similar symbols as different the more difficult
these spellings are to read. Well – if there are new handshapes in other
cultures – like we find in the EMA – no problem to accept that new symbols
are needed. 


Perhaps this “Heel of hand” symbols offers some advantage in quick
handwriting – I would understand that –  and of course everybody is free to
develop his own style of writing keeping in mind that his “readers” will
have no trouble to read the written documents without any problems ...


Stefan ;-)



Von: owner-sw-l at
[mailto:owner-sw-l at] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Dezember 2006 20:33
An: sw-l at
Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Remove using 5-hand or heel


Looking at it at first glance, it looks far too much like the thumb-ASL-A
hand, even though the split is different.  When I see an angled finger on
something that looks like a square, that´s an A, whether a square or a short
rectangle, and a short rectangle looks like an A hand, not the long hand of
a neutral flat hand.  Maybe in writing it is more distinct but the computer
makes them awfully similar.


My quick thoughts.  My first guess was two A hands moving against each
other, which is not your intent.



Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:

SignWriting List
December 14, 2006

Philippe and Stuart and Adam and Everyone!

I have two questions for you too...Take a look at the attached...the 
top ones are examples you showed us first, using the symbols that are 
currently in the IMWA. The Heel of Hand is very short in the IMWA.

Look at my diagram at the bottom (number 3)...I made the Heel of Hand 
symbol a little bit I wrote the Brush Symbol in the 
middle of the stem of the arrow the way I would write it by hand...

Can you read my example? Which do you prefer?


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