FRENCH-SWISS sign for CANCER

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
December 29, 2006

Everyone -
Let us follow the Spelling rules...If you wish to write both the  
opening and closing position in any sign, that is fine to write both  
handshapes...so this one would be ok, although for me, his open hand  
looked more like an L handshape because it was so wide...but this one  
is clear because both handshapes are there...Writing both handshapes  
is always the most accurate choice...

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But if you are going to take away one handshape, then there are two  
Spelling Rules that guides which one should be taken away...

The first Spelling Rule is to always write the Position of Contact.  
Small Finger Movements have a Position of Contact too...it is the  
second position...the position where the fingers meet each other in  
contact...

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But in this sign, since you feel the opening position is so  
important, then write BOTH positions. If you write the first position  
only, it does NOT mean the fingers are contacting in the end...

I will explain more soon...I will try to write the Spelling Rules  
better on the web too...I thought I had, but I can see now that more  
is needed...

Val ;-)

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On Dec 29, 2006, at 2:23 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> I guess what i am missing now is the original open crab claw.  One  
> ends with the closed point, but cannot tell that that the hand  
> actually opens quite wide, I would end up reading this as a very  
> small open shut (like a g hand, not a big open curve).  Here is my  
> attempt, with a starting position also shown. (now cancer_5)
>
>
>
> Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> December 28, 2006
>
> Anne-Claude Pr?laz Girod wrote:
> > who could help me write the sign for cancer....
> > you can see the video on http://www.pisourd.ch/index.php?
> > theme=dicocomplet
>
>
> Hello Anny and everyone -
>
> The signer appears to me to be doing a Hinge Finger Motion, from the
> Knuckle Joint, like the opening and closing of a door. Because the
> signer has such amazing fingers...very flexible and big and almost
> double-jointed...it is hard to see this. I can see why you might
> think the movement was from the Middle Joint, but I believe, like
> Shane mentioned, that the motion must be from the Knuckle Joint like
> the sign for Crab in ASL...
>
> So if it were from the Middle Joint...those would have been dark dots
> like you wrote, Anny...but the Hinge Motion are those tiny little
> arrows...
>
> Also, for me, it looked like he was touching his chest each time, but
> not Rubbing...Rub means continual-contact that never leaves the chest
> at all but he was doing a touch-touch-touch I believe...
>
> See attached illustration...my writing is in your French-Swiss
> SignPuddle...
>
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