FRENCH-SWISS sign for CANCER

[Adam Frost]

This is my shot at it with the way it looks to me. Is this right?

[image: sign-1]

Adam

On 12/29/06, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Tried this again.  I looked at the handshapes with the thumbs and the
> index fingers spread wide, found the ones facing me, with the thumbs on what
> seemed the logical side, then did the same with the thumb and forefinger
> touching so that the right thumb is on the right side, and the left thumb is
> on the left side.  Then all the rest we have agreed on, closure from the
> first joint 3 times, movement upward, and continuous contact.
>
> Charles
> [image: cancer_9]
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> *Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM>* wrote:
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> SignWriting List
> December 29, 2006
>
> Hello Adam and Everyone!
> This is a great discussion and I look forward to giving you some real
> concrete answers...
>
> I am preparing the diagrams now, but it may take a little time so
> look at your email in about two hours...smile...
>
> And thank you, Stefan, for bringing spelling issues up...it is always
> a blessing to discuss how to write signs...
>
> and thanks to everyone for all your input and Anny for writing so much!
>
> It is a good thing that Anny asked, because the finger direction was
> not the only thing in this case...there was also a different finger
> motion...
>
> Val ;-)
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> On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
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> > I see what Anny is talking about with the handshape. The open
> > fingers seem to be switched. (ie The thumb is where the index seem
> > that it should be, and visa versa.) I know that this is the right
> > palm faceing, but I understand why Anny choose the handshape with
> > the fingers down. Because the thumbs were on the outside, not the
> > inside. Is that being read right, or is this handshape following
> > the hindge handshape rule that we talked about earlier this winter?
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On 12/29/06, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > December 29, 2006
> >
> > Everyone -
> > Let us follow the Spelling rules...If you wish to write both the
> > opening and closing position in any sign, that is fine to write both
> > handshapes...so this one would be ok, although for me, his open hand
> > looked more like an L handshape because it was so wide...but this one
> > is clear because both handshapes are there...Writing both handshapes
> > is always the most accurate choice...
> >
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> > But if you are going to take away one handshape, then there are two
> > Spelling Rules that guides which one should be taken away...
> >
> > The first Spelling Rule is to always write the Position of Contact.
> > Small Finger Movements have a Position of Contact too...it is the
> > second position...the position where the fingers meet each other in
> > contact...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > But in this sign, since you feel the opening position is so
> > important, then write BOTH positions. If you write the first position
> > only, it does NOT mean the fingers are contacting in the end...
> >
> > I will explain more soon...I will try to write the Spelling Rules
> > better on the web too...I thought I had, but I can see now that more
> > is needed...
> >
> > Val ;-)
> >
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> >
> > On Dec 29, 2006, at 2:23 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
> >
> > > I guess what i am missing now is the original open crab claw. One
> > > ends with the closed point, but cannot tell that that the hand
> > > actually opens quite wide, I would end up reading this as a very
> > > small open shut (like a g hand, not a big open curve). Here is my
> > > attempt, with a starting position also shown. (now cancer_5)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Valerie Sutton < signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
> > > SignWriting List
> > > December 28, 2006
> > >
> > > Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
> > > > who could help me write the sign for cancer....
> > > > you can see the video on http://www.pisourd.ch/index.php?
> > > > theme=dicocomplet
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Anny and everyone -
> > >
> > > The signer appears to me to be doing a Hinge Finger Motion, from the
> > > Knuckle Joint, like the opening and closing of a door. Because the
> > > signer has such amazing fingers...very flexible and big and almost
> > > double-jointed...it is hard to see this. I can see why you might
> > > think the movement was from the Middle Joint, but I believe, like
> > > Shane mentioned, that the motion must be from the Knuckle Joint like
> > > the sign for Crab in ASL...
> > >
> > > So if it were from the Middle Joint...those would have been dark
> > dots
> > > like you wrote, Anny...but the Hinge Motion are those tiny little
> > > arrows...
> > >
> > > Also, for me, it looked like he was touching his chest each time,
> > but
> > > not Rubbing...Rub means continual-contact that never leaves the
> > chest
> > > at all but he was doing a touch-touch-touch I believe...
> > >
> > > See attached illustration...my writing is in your French-Swiss
> > > SignPuddle...
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