FRENCH-SWISS sign for CANCER

Fri Dec 29 19:40:13 UTC 2006

Yours is better with the closres between the hands, at least it looks better that way to me.

  Charles

Adam Frost <adam at frostvillage.com> wrote:
  This is my shot at it with the way it looks to me. Is this right?

Adam

  On 12/29/06, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:    Tried this again.  I looked at the handshapes with the thumbs and the index fingers spread wide, found the ones facing me, with the thumbs on what seemed the logical side, then did the same with the thumb and forefinger touching so that the right thumb is on the right side, and the left thumb is on the left side.  Then all the rest we have agreed on, closure from the first joint 3 times, movement upward, and continuous contact. 

  Charles

Valerie Sutton < signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
  SignWriting List
December 29, 2006

Hello Adam and Everyone! 
This is a great discussion and I look forward to giving you some real 
concrete answers...

I am preparing the diagrams now, but it may take a little time so 
look at your email in about two hours...smile...

And thank you, Stefan, for bringing spelling issues up...it is always 
a blessing to discuss how to write signs... 

and thanks to everyone for all your input and Anny for writing so much!

It is a good thing that Anny asked, because the finger direction was 
not the only thing in this case...there was also a different finger 
motion...

Val ;-)

On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

> I see what Anny is talking about with the handshape. The open 
> fingers seem to be switched. (ie The thumb is where the index seem 
> that it should be, and visa versa.) I know that this is the right 
> palm faceing, but I understand why Anny choose the handshape with 
> the fingers down. Because the thumbs were on the outside, not the 
> inside. Is that being read right, or is this handshape following 
> the hindge handshape rule that we talked about earlier this winter?
>
> Adam
>
  > On 12/29/06, Valerie Sutton wrote: 
> SignWriting List
> December 29, 2006
>
> Everyone -
> Let us follow the Spelling rules...If you wish to write both the
> opening and closing position in any sign, that is fine to write both 
> handshapes...so this one would be ok, although for me, his open hand
> looked more like an L handshape because it was so wide...but this one
> is clear because both handshapes are there...Writing both handshapes 
> is always the most accurate choice...
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> But if you are going to take away one handshape, then there are two
> Spelling Rules that guides which one should be taken away... 
>
> The first Spelling Rule is to always write the Position of Contact.
> Small Finger Movements have a Position of Contact too...it is the
> second position...the position where the fingers meet each other in
> contact...
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> But in this sign, since you feel the opening position is so 
> important, then write BOTH positions. If you write the first position
> only, it does NOT mean the fingers are contacting in the end...
>
> I will explain more soon...I will try to write the Spelling Rules 
> better on the web too...I thought I had, but I can see now that more
> is needed...
>
> Val ;-)
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> On Dec 29, 2006, at 2:23 AM, Charles Butler wrote: 
>
> > I guess what i am missing now is the original open crab claw. One
> > ends with the closed point, but cannot tell that that the hand
> > actually opens quite wide, I would end up reading this as a very 
> > small open shut (like a g hand, not a big open curve). Here is my
> > attempt, with a starting position also shown. (now cancer_5)
> >
> >
> >
> > Valerie Sutton < signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > December 28, 2006
> >
> > Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
> > > who could help me write the sign for cancer....
> > > you can see the video on http://www.pisourd.ch/index.php?
> > > theme=dicocomplet 
> >
> >
> > Hello Anny and everyone -
> >
> > The signer appears to me to be doing a Hinge Finger Motion, from the
> > Knuckle Joint, like the opening and closing of a door. Because the 
> > signer has such amazing fingers...very flexible and big and almost
> > double-jointed...it is hard to see this. I can see why you might
> > think the movement was from the Middle Joint, but I believe, like
> > Shane mentioned, that the motion must be from the Knuckle Joint like
> > the sign for Crab in ASL...
> >
> > So if it were from the Middle Joint...those would have been dark 
> dots
> > like you wrote, Anny...but the Hinge Motion are those tiny little
> > arrows...
> >
> > Also, for me, it looked like he was touching his chest each time, 
> but
> > not Rubbing...Rub means continual-contact that never leaves the 
> chest
> > at all but he was doing a touch-touch-touch I believe...
> >
> > See attached illustration...my writing is in your French-Swiss 
> > SignPuddle...
> >
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