CASE vs SEE

[Kimberley A. Shaw]

Hello all:
I have recently taken classes in Cued Speech -- and have found it almost
automatic to use SW to record what we do in class! *And* my note-taking is
faster than the other folks who are using the "standard" Stokoe-like
letter-number system for writing down cueing.
When I've got my notes on me, I'll scan in the most presentable of them so
you can have a look at SW cueing!
Allabest,
Kim from Boston 

sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu on Monday, February 27, 2006 at 9:34 AM
-0500 wrote:
>Another interesting system to include in this discussion might be Cued 
>Speech.
>
>Cued Speech doesn't pretend to be a sign language.  It is lip reading 
>with primitive hand gestures to remove the guessing and confusion 
>associated with lip reading.  It uses 8 hand shapes with 4 locations to 
>represent the sounds of speech.
>
>I think it would be really interesting to see Cued Speech written in 
>SignWriting: mouth movements with visual cues.
>
>-Steve
>
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>CWren at doe.k12.ga.us wrote:
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>> SEE is a system that tries to include every _unit of meaning in 
>> English_ into manual form initialized with the first letter of the 
>> word as much as possible.  So the sentence "I am going home" would 
>> have 5 signs, including a separate sign for "-ing".  I used to work 
>> with a lady who used this system.  "Thanksgiving" --one sign in ASL-- 
>> would be 4 signs in SEE= Thank, s, give, ing.  Its impossible to use 
>> at normal conversational speeds, and ridiculously silly the way they 
>> mangle some signs.  I'll try to do a true SEE sentence soon, and send 
>> it to ya'll.  Signs are based on the  out of three rule.  If a word is 
>> spelled the same and pronounced the same then it is signed the same 
>> regardless of meaning.  So, I have a run in my hose, I want to run for 
>> president, and my nose is running would all use the same sign for run.
>>
>> There are a ton of other signed English code systems that try to 
>> manually represent English, and SEE is not the worst, although its 
>> close. THey were designed to teach Deaf kids English, but have been 
>> usurped and people are trying to use them instead of a true language. 
>>  So the kid sees nothing but these codes all day every day...  
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>> CASE is true ASL signs, used in English word order.  Some people who 
>> use this system will structure, some won't.  Many don't realize that 
>> what they are signing doesn't make visual sense...  (I teach staff 
>> here at the school a class designed to help them understand there is 
>> such a thing as 'visual sense' )
>>
>> PSE is also called contact language.  Its what is generally used when 
>> hearing and Deaf come together.  Deaf folks move to more English word 
>> order to accomodate the hearing person, and the hearing person moves 
>> to more ASL-like signing --if they are able to. BIG IF-- to accomodate 
>> the deaf.  Usually the deaf person ends up doing more accomodation 
>> than the hearing person...
>>
>> cherie
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>> Cherie Wren
>> GSD Staff Interpreter
>> 232 Perry Farm Rd
>> Cave Spring, GA 30124
>> 706-777-2328
>> 706-766-0766 Cell
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>> I am not that good with writing the mouthing, but it is "It rained 
>> cats and dogs, yesterday" for SEE and "Yesterday, it rained really 
>> hard" for CASE.
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>> Adam
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>> PS The restructuring is allowed for CASE because the English would not 
>> make visual sense if it was kept as it was in SEE and it keeps the 
>> same meaning. Just a little something that I am getting from my 
>> interpreting classes right now. ;-)
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