CASE vs SEE

Mon Feb 27 19:25:14 UTC 2006

Well, I originally asked about the mouthing because I'm not sure about 
it... ::grin::  mmm and oo are pretty easy, they are static, but for cha 
the mouth opens...  I really don't understand the difference between the 
rectangle open mouth and the oval open mouth, and wrinkle versus double 
wrinkles...

These are my guesses, though:

cha    or maybe 

mmm 

oo 

Here is a rough attempt at 'Cheeva" for the sign 'speech' 
a little awkward to use in a sign-spelling...  perhaps there should be a 
symbol that means chin/jaw-movement?  Then you could just use the middle 
face there and show that the jaw is moving up and down?  That would still 
not be completely research-accurate, but it would be understandable?

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Cherie Wren
GSD Staff Interpreter
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Cave Spring, GA 30124
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February 27, 2006

Hello Steve and Cherie -
Yes...all these can be written. Thank you, Cherie, for your sentence 
written in SEE in SignText...that was fun to read...writing ing at 
the end of sign...etc...

And yes, Cued Speech can be written in SignWriting if someone wants 
to ;-)

Anything that moves can be written...smile...

In Denmark, they use another system called the Mund-Haand-System, 
which means the Mouth-Hand-System...it can be compared to Cued 
Speech, although it existed long before Cued Speech...The Mund-Haand- 
System was a way to bring in foreign words into Danish signing...so 
now they have some signs that stem from the old Mund-Haand- 
System...and they are written in SignWriting in their documents in 
Denmark...smile...

Val ;-)

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On Feb 27, 2006, at 6:34 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:

> Another interesting system to include in this discussion might be 
> Cued Speech.
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> Cued Speech doesn't pretend to be a sign language.  It is lip 
> reading with primitive hand gestures to remove the guessing and 
> confusion associated with lip reading.  It uses 8 hand shapes with 
> 4 locations to represent the sounds of speech.
>
> I think it would be really interesting to see Cued Speech written 
> in SignWriting: mouth movements with visual cues.
>
> -Steve
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> CWren at doe.k12.ga.us wrote:
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>> SEE is a system that tries to include every _unit of meaning in 
>> English_ into manual form initialized with the first letter of the 
>> word as much as possible.  So the sentence "I am going home" would 
>> have 5 signs, including a separate sign for "-ing".  I used to 
>> work with a lady who used this system.  "Thanksgiving" --one sign 
>> in ASL-- would be 4 signs in SEE= Thank, s, give, ing.  Its 
>> impossible to use at normal conversational speeds, and 
>> ridiculously silly the way they mangle some signs.  I'll try to do 
>> a true SEE sentence soon, and send it to ya'll.  Signs are based 
>> on the  out of three rule.  If a word is spelled the same and 
>> pronounced the same then it is signed the same regardless of 
>> meaning.  So, I have a run in my hose, I want to run for 
>> president, and my nose is running would all use the same sign for 
>> run.
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>> There are a ton of other signed English code systems that try to 
>> manually represent English, and SEE is not the worst, although its 
>> close. THey were designed to teach Deaf kids English, but have 
>> been usurped and people are trying to use them instead of a true 
>> language.  So the kid sees nothing but these codes all day every 
>> day...
>> CASE is true ASL signs, used in English word order.  Some people 
>> who use this system will structure, some won't.  Many don't 
>> realize that what they are signing doesn't make visual sense... 
>> (I teach staff here at the school a class designed to help them 
>> understand there is such a thing as 'visual sense' )
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>> PSE is also called contact language.  Its what is generally used 
>> when hearing and Deaf come together.  Deaf folks move to more 
>> English word order to accomodate the hearing person, and the 
>> hearing person moves to more ASL-like signing --if they are able 
>> to. BIG IF-- to accomodate the deaf.  Usually the deaf person ends 
>> up doing more accomodation than the hearing person...
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>> cherie
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>> GSD Staff Interpreter
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>> Cave Spring, GA 30124
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>> I am not that good with writing the mouthing, but it is "It rained 
>> cats and dogs, yesterday" for SEE and "Yesterday, it rained really 
>> hard" for CASE.
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>> Adam
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>> PS The restructuring is allowed for CASE because the English would 
>> not make visual sense if it was kept as it was in SEE and it keeps 
>> the same meaning. Just a little something that I am getting from 
>> my interpreting classes right now. ;-)
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