ASL signers...please read this and give your response...

Steve Slevinski slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET
Fri Mar 10 16:04:27 UTC 2006

Hi Val,

If someone searched for "help", they would get both "help" and 
"pic-help".  Maybe, we should use a postfix, so "help" would become 

Don't worry, I'm not going to start anything until we decide what we're 
going to do.


Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> March 10, 2006
> Hello Steve!
> So are you saying that the pics would still be in the same US 
> dictionary...simply under a huge 3000-sign category called pic?
> Ohhh...I don't like that personally...but it sounds like you like 
> it...I am surprised because it will create a huge mess for me and 
> others, won't it?...
> When visitors search, they would not be able to find Help, unless they 
> place the word pic before it? And if they search for pic, will they 
> get 3000 signs in one enormous list? smile...That could be a horrible 
> mess...and hard on old computers with dial-up modems...
> I am not so sure...before you do a lot of work, let's discuss this 
> further...
> Val ;-)
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:15 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>> Hi Val,
>> I like Ingvild's suggestion.  We would change the gloss names for the 
>> graphic only signs.  We take all of the gloss names and prefix them 
>> with "pic-".  So if we had help as a graphic only sign, its gloss 
>> name would change to "pic-help".  On the searched by word page, you 
>> would have about 3000 signs that start with "pic-".
>> It will take a bit of work on my side, but I think it will be worth it.
>> -Steve
>> Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>> SignWriting List
>>> March 10, 2006
>>> Ingvild Roald in Norway wrote:
>>>> Or maybe it would be better if the pic signs stay in the same 
>>>> pudle, but with the 'surname' pic - then they would be awaylable to 
>>>> see, and could be re-written by the one who wants to use this sign, 
>>>> and thus be (slowly) changed into new symbols -
>>> Hello Ingvild and everyone -
>>> That is exactly what we have right now, Ingvild, and have had it 
>>> that way, from the beginning. There are only two Puddles that have 
>>> this problem...the US and Germany. We all had a lot of signs in the 
>>> old SignWriter DOS format, so Steve placed those in the Puddles as 
>>> graphics and it says it is a graphic when you go into Dictionary 
>>> Editors. And the idea was that we would all re-do all those signs, 
>>> but we haven't...what has happened instead is that people add new 
>>> signs, and the old ones rarely get now we have a 
>>> dictionary that cannot always be used because it is not pure 
>>> don't have that problem in Norway, and I am glad!
>>> I believe that the old ones will never be completely changed if we 
>>> leave them in the US SignPuddle because people see the pics and 
>>> don't realize that they have to be changed...then later they are 
>>> frustrated when half the US dictionary cannot load signs into 
>>> Which is another comedy! We developed SignText with the hopes that 
>>> people would add their signs directly, just as we type English 
>>> without copying and pasting from a dictionary, but instead we are 
>>> bringing signs already written into SignText anyway - ha! So the 
>>> same problems we had with SignWriter DOS are happening 
>>> again...SignWriter DOS had an excellent way to type directly, 
>>> without using the dictionary, but people used the dictionary to 
>>> paste signs instead...and SignText can do both too...
>>> I guess by having American signs that cannot load into SignText from 
>>> SignPuddle...maybe it is a blessing in disguise - ha! Then people 
>>> have to create directly in Sign Language instead of using glosses to 
>>> paste signs from a dictionary! smile...
>>> Val ;-)
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