ASL signers...please read this and give your response...

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Fri Mar 10 16:33:31 UTC 2006

SignWriting List
March 10, 2006

Steve and Everyone -
There is some wonderful news...Steve built-in a way to add signs  
created in SignText, into SignPuddle. And I have found that that  
feature in SignText, is faster to add signs to SignPuddle, than in  
SignPuddle itself! Because adding signs from SignText, gives us a  
listing of all the signs in one long list, to add to SignPuddle and  
it is faster...

So....maybe entering these pic files into the US SignPuddle will not  
be as slow now, if we had them sequestered in a group, so I could  
view them, while re-writing them in SignText...I could view them by  
opening a second Firefox I would use SignText, and in a  
window next to it, I could have another broswer, such as Safari or  
Camino, open viewing the pic files that need to be re-created...

I think I might be able to get a lot of signs completed quickly with  
this new method...adding them to SignPuddle...

But if I have to then go back, and delete the pics from SignPuddle,  
that were just entered in SWML...that is actually more time  
consuming...But a small price to pay for having the pics available to  
people while this job is being done...

Sending email with glosses might be confusing..they would have to  
type glosses with pic in front of the word...making a smaller  
dictionary with only SWML available would force us all into creating  
the signs we need for email...and that is what I think is the only  
way we will really solve this problem...

I vote for sequestering the pics in a new SignPuddle called sgn-US- 
pic...There will be fewer problems...

How do you feel now? smile...

Val ;-)


On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:

> Hi Val,
> If someone searched for "help", they would get both "help" and "pic- 
> help".  Maybe, we should use a postfix, so "help" would become  
> "help-pic".
> Don't worry, I'm not going to start anything until we decide what  
> we're going to do.
> -Steve
> Valerie Sutton wrote:
>> SignWriting List
>> March 10, 2006
>> Hello Steve!
>> So are you saying that the pics would still be in the same US  
>> dictionary...simply under a huge 3000-sign category called pic?
>> Ohhh...I don't like that personally...but it sounds like you like  
>> it...I am surprised because it will create a huge mess for me and  
>> others, won't it?...
>> When visitors search, they would not be able to find Help, unless  
>> they place the word pic before it? And if they search for pic,  
>> will they get 3000 signs in one enormous list? smile...That could  
>> be a horrible mess...and hard on old computers with dial-up modems...
>> I am not so sure...before you do a lot of work, let's discuss this  
>> further...
>> Val ;-)
>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:15 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>>> Hi Val,
>>> I like Ingvild's suggestion.  We would change the gloss names for  
>>> the graphic only signs.  We take all of the gloss names and  
>>> prefix them with "pic-".  So if we had help as a graphic only  
>>> sign, its gloss name would change to "pic-help".  On the searched  
>>> by word page, you would have about 3000 signs that start with  
>>> "pic-".
>>> It will take a bit of work on my side, but I think it will be  
>>> worth it.
>>> -Steve
>>> Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> March 10, 2006
>>>> Ingvild Roald in Norway wrote:
>>>>> Or maybe it would be better if the pic signs stay in the same  
>>>>> pudle, but with the 'surname' pic - then they would be  
>>>>> awaylable to see, and could be re-written by the one who wants  
>>>>> to use this sign, and thus be (slowly) changed into new symbols -
>>>> Hello Ingvild and everyone -
>>>> That is exactly what we have right now, Ingvild, and have had it  
>>>> that way, from the beginning. There are only two Puddles that  
>>>> have this problem...the US and Germany. We all had a lot of  
>>>> signs in the old SignWriter DOS format, so Steve placed those in  
>>>> the Puddles as graphics and it says it is a graphic when you go  
>>>> into Dictionary Editors. And the idea was that we would all re- 
>>>> do all those signs, but we haven't...what has happened instead  
>>>> is that people add new signs, and the old ones rarely get  
>>>> now we have a dictionary that cannot always be used  
>>>> because it is not pure don't have that problem in  
>>>> Norway, and I am glad!
>>>> I believe that the old ones will never be completely changed if  
>>>> we leave them in the US SignPuddle because people see the pics  
>>>> and don't realize that they have to be changed...then later they  
>>>> are frustrated when half the US dictionary cannot load signs  
>>>> into
>>>> Which is another comedy! We developed SignText with the hopes  
>>>> that people would add their signs directly, just as we type  
>>>> English without copying and pasting from a dictionary, but  
>>>> instead we are bringing signs already written into SignText  
>>>> anyway - ha! So the same problems we had with SignWriter DOS are  
>>>> happening again...SignWriter DOS had an excellent way to type  
>>>> directly, without using the dictionary, but people used the  
>>>> dictionary to paste signs instead...and SignText can do both too...
>>>> I guess by having American signs that cannot load into SignText  
>>>> from SignPuddle...maybe it is a blessing in disguise - ha! Then  
>>>> people have to create directly in Sign Language instead of using  
>>>> glosses to paste signs from a dictionary! smile...
>>>> Val ;-)
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