ASL signers...please read this and give your response...

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
March 10, 2006

Steve -
On second thought...smile....

No matter what, I know we have to do something or the circumstance  
will never change...so we have to sequester the signs that are  
graphics only, into some kind of a separate, viewable dictionary for  
us to then be able to add them when we can...because right now they  
are mixed up with the new and it is confusing in the editing process...

So the only question is...will the group of pics be in the same  
dictionary or a separate one?...and I am open to anything you feel  
will work well...smile...

Thank you for your offer to put in so much work for us on this issue...

We are sooo lucky to work with you!  Val ;-)


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On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

> SignWriting List
> March 10, 2006
>
> Hello Steve!
> So are you saying that the pics would still be in the same US  
> dictionary...simply under a huge 3000-sign category called pic?
>
> Ohhh...I don't like that personally...but it sounds like you like  
> it...I am surprised because it will create a huge mess for me and  
> others, won't it?...
>
> When visitors search, they would not be able to find Help, unless  
> they place the word pic before it? And if they search for pic, will  
> they get 3000 signs in one enormous list? smile...That could be a  
> horrible mess...and hard on old computers with dial-up modems...
>
> I am not so sure...before you do a lot of work, let's discuss this  
> further...
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:15 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>
>> Hi Val,
>>
>> I like Ingvild's suggestion.  We would change the gloss names for  
>> the graphic only signs.  We take all of the gloss names and prefix  
>> them with "pic-".  So if we had help as a graphic only sign, its  
>> gloss name would change to "pic-help".  On the searched by word  
>> page, you would have about 3000 signs that start with "pic-".
>>
>> It will take a bit of work on my side, but I think it will be  
>> worth it.
>> -Steve
>>
>> Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>> SignWriting List
>>> March 10, 2006
>>>
>>> Ingvild Roald in Norway wrote:
>>>> Or maybe it would be better if the pic signs stay in the same  
>>>> pudle, but with the 'surname' pic - then they would be awaylable  
>>>> to see, and could be re-written by the one who wants to use this  
>>>> sign, and thus be (slowly) changed into new symbols -
>>>
>>> Hello Ingvild and everyone -
>>> That is exactly what we have right now, Ingvild, and have had it  
>>> that way, from the beginning. There are only two Puddles that  
>>> have this problem...the US and Germany. We all had a lot of signs  
>>> in the old SignWriter DOS format, so Steve placed those in the  
>>> Puddles as graphics and it says it is a graphic when you go into  
>>> Dictionary Editors. And the idea was that we would all re-do all  
>>> those signs, but we haven't...what has happened instead is that  
>>> people add new signs, and the old ones rarely get changed...so  
>>> now we have a dictionary that cannot always be used because it is  
>>> not pure SWML...you don't have that problem in Norway, and I am  
>>> glad!
>>>
>>> I believe that the old ones will never be completely changed if  
>>> we leave them in the US SignPuddle because people see the pics  
>>> and don't realize that they have to be changed...then later they  
>>> are frustrated when half the US dictionary cannot load signs into  
>>> SignText...smile...
>>>
>>> Which is another comedy! We developed SignText with the hopes  
>>> that people would add their signs directly, just as we type  
>>> English without copying and pasting from a dictionary, but  
>>> instead we are bringing signs already written into SignText  
>>> anyway - ha! So the same problems we had with SignWriter DOS are  
>>> happening again...SignWriter DOS had an excellent way to type  
>>> directly, without using the dictionary, but people used the  
>>> dictionary to paste signs instead...and SignText can do both too...
>>>
>>> I guess by having American signs that cannot load into SignText  
>>> from SignPuddle...maybe it is a blessing in disguise - ha! Then  
>>> people have to create directly in Sign Language instead of using  
>>> glosses to paste signs from a dictionary! smile...
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>>
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