SW used in Brazil

[Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa]

Chas,

I am very interested in visiting Brazil to see how SW is being used there etc

Where is FENEIS based?

Shane

On 20/10/06, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Interestingly enough, if he wants "Deaf people" to be using it he only needs
> to look at FENEIS, the National Association of the Deaf of Brazil, who
> whole-heartedly support it.  It is being taught in at least a dozen schools
> in Brazil that I am aware of.  I am going to Florianopolis in December for
> an International Linguistics conference sponsored by Gallaudet college, and
> as Sign Writing is used for much of the linguistic studies in Brasil it will
> certainly be in evidence everywhere there.
>
> The U.S. is slow, that's all.
>
> Charles Butler, Sign Writer since 1978, part of SignNet Project in Brazil,
> Catholic University of Pelotas, Rio Grande de Sul, Brazil.
>
>
> Stuart Thiessen <sw at passitonservices.org> wrote:
> I am in Des Moines, Iowa, right in the middle of the US. ;-) When I
> moved from Virginia to Kansas, they told me to say hi to Dorothy. Funny
> thing .... my neighbor was Dorothy. So, I said hi! ( ;-D ) Then I
> lived in Nebraska. Now in Iowa. So, I'm more of a Midwesterner. :)
>
> Stuart
>
> On Oct 19, 2006, at 14:33, Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa wrote:
>
> > Stuart is right - Gallaudet is loyal to Stokoe, thinking that SW is
> > another notation system (which it ISN'T!)
> >
> > once we slip SW into Gallaudet, it will change - unfair i know...but
> > we will get there eventually.
> >
> > Where are you based, Stuart?
> >
> > Shane
> >
> > On 19/10/06, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> >> Here, the local teacher (hearing) said that he would not even consider
> >> use of SignWriting until Deaf people use it. I told him, "2 Deaf
> >> people
> >> are right now telling you it is a good idea!!! ;-)" Really, what he
> >> means is until NAD or Gallaudet or some formal group adopts
> >> SignWriting
> >> as a writing system for ASL, he won't consider it.
> >>
> >> But I agree with Valerie. First time, they may be resistant or
> >> hesitant, but if we are patient, they will realize the benefits of the
> >> system.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Stuart Thiessen
> >>
> >> On Oct 19, 2006, at 13:15, Bill Reese wrote:
> >>
> >> > Val,
> >> >
> >> > Last night my late-deaf group had one of it's regular coffee socials
> >> > and a sign teacher from a local college showed up with her class of
> >> > about 10 hearing students. I showed her www.signwriting.org on my
> >> > sidekick and she admitted that she had looked at it a couple months
> >> > ago. Her students are just beginners and most are taking sign as
> >> > their required foreign language. As such, most won't be going far
> >> > with it. The teacher suggested that signwriting would most likely
> >> fit
> >> > in with the sign language structure class, which is normally a
> >> fourth
> >> > semester class in sign instruction. I asked her to pass the word
> >> > along to the teacher of that class. Not sure where it will get but
> >> a
> >> > couple of her beginning students snuck a look at what I was showing
> >> > her and expressed curiousity.
> >> > This was probably the first time I had received constructive
> >> dialogue
> >> > instead of skepticism from a local teacher.
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If it's anything like the UK, it will be a long ways to go
> >> >
> >> > Valerie Sutton wrote:
> >> >> SignWriting List
> >> >> October 19, 2006
> >> >>
> >> >> Ha! Well...my experience is that it takes around three times,
> >> before
> >> >> people become convinced to look at it...
> >> >>
> >> >> The first time they are against it, the second time they discuss it
> >> >> more, and the third time they decide to look at it...
> >> >>
> >> >> So maybe in time he will come around, as others write BSL around
> >> >> him...
> >> >>
> >> >> reading and writing English took centuries to become
> >> established...so
> >> >> there is hope!
> >> >>
> >> >> Val ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Oct 19, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I did invite him :-)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> He said he have better things to do...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> (!)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> :-)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Shane
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 19/10/06, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> >> >>>> SignWriting List
> >> >>>> October 19, 2006
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa in Belfast wrote:
> >> >>>> > Was talking to a deaf leader in England about that system - he
> >> >>>> said
> >> >>>> > that its no good - what with the development in video
> >> technology
> >> >>>> i.e.
> >> >>>> > video messages etc - so why the signwriting etc?
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I said having videomessages etc will not improve kids'
> >> literacy in
> >> >>>> > BSL/NISL but having SW will do.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > beside, technology isnt good at keeping stuff - SW can be
> >> printed
> >> >>>> on
> >> >>>> > any paper and that they ll be still there 500 years away :-)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hello Shane and Everyone!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Those are good points, Shane...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So did you invite the Deaf leader to the SignWriting Workshop on
> >> Oct
> >> >>>> 27th at DCAL? ;-))
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Double-dare him to come to the workshop to see if he has the
> >> courage
> >> >>>> to look at it...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> When people give me the video argument, I say:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "People did not stop writing English when audio recording
> >> equipment
> >> >>>> was invented!"
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Written English transcripts are very helpful combined with audio
> >> >>>> CDs ;-))
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> No different with written Sign Language and videos...they help
> >> each
> >> >>>> other....
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I know you know this, Shane...I am just spouting off right now -
> >> ha!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Val ;-)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
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