SW used in Brazil

[Charles Butler]

FENEIS has chapters in Porto Alegre, Sao Paulo, Rio,
Florianopolis, and a dozen other cities.  



--- Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa
<shane.gilchrist.oheorpa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chas,
> 
> I am very interested in visiting Brazil to see how
> SW is being used there etc
> 
> Where is FENEIS based?
> 
> Shane
> 
> On 20/10/06, Charles Butler
> <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Interestingly enough, if he wants "Deaf people" to
> be using it he only needs
> > to look at FENEIS, the National Association of the
> Deaf of Brazil, who
> > whole-heartedly support it.  It is being taught in
> at least a dozen schools
> > in Brazil that I am aware of.  I am going to
> Florianopolis in December for
> > an International Linguistics conference sponsored
> by Gallaudet college, and
> > as Sign Writing is used for much of the linguistic
> studies in Brasil it will
> > certainly be in evidence everywhere there.
> >
> > The U.S. is slow, that's all.
> >
> > Charles Butler, Sign Writer since 1978, part of
> SignNet Project in Brazil,
> > Catholic University of Pelotas, Rio Grande de Sul,
> Brazil.
> >
> >
> > Stuart Thiessen <sw at passitonservices.org> wrote:
> > I am in Des Moines, Iowa, right in the middle of
> the US. ;-) When I
> > moved from Virginia to Kansas, they told me to say
> hi to Dorothy. Funny
> > thing .... my neighbor was Dorothy. So, I said hi!
> ( ;-D ) Then I
> > lived in Nebraska. Now in Iowa. So, I'm more of a
> Midwesterner. :)
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > On Oct 19, 2006, at 14:33, Shane Gilchrist O
> hEorpa wrote:
> >
> > > Stuart is right - Gallaudet is loyal to Stokoe,
> thinking that SW is
> > > another notation system (which it ISN'T!)
> > >
> > > once we slip SW into Gallaudet, it will change -
> unfair i know...but
> > > we will get there eventually.
> > >
> > > Where are you based, Stuart?
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> > > On 19/10/06, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> > >> Here, the local teacher (hearing) said that he
> would not even consider
> > >> use of SignWriting until Deaf people use it. I
> told him, "2 Deaf
> > >> people
> > >> are right now telling you it is a good idea!!!
> ;-)" Really, what he
> > >> means is until NAD or Gallaudet or some formal
> group adopts
> > >> SignWriting
> > >> as a writing system for ASL, he won't consider
> it.
> > >>
> > >> But I agree with Valerie. First time, they may
> be resistant or
> > >> hesitant, but if we are patient, they will
> realize the benefits of the
> > >> system.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Stuart Thiessen
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 19, 2006, at 13:15, Bill Reese wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Val,
> > >> >
> > >> > Last night my late-deaf group had one of it's
> regular coffee socials
> > >> > and a sign teacher from a local college
> showed up with her class of
> > >> > about 10 hearing students. I showed her
> www.signwriting.org on my
> > >> > sidekick and she admitted that she had looked
> at it a couple months
> > >> > ago. Her students are just beginners and most
> are taking sign as
> > >> > their required foreign language. As such,
> most won't be going far
> > >> > with it. The teacher suggested that
> signwriting would most likely
> > >> fit
> > >> > in with the sign language structure class,
> which is normally a
> > >> fourth
> > >> > semester class in sign instruction. I asked
> her to pass the word
> > >> > along to the teacher of that class. Not sure
> where it will get but
> > >> a
> > >> > couple of her beginning students snuck a look
> at what I was showing
> > >> > her and expressed curiousity.
> > >> > This was probably the first time I had
> received constructive
> > >> dialogue
> > >> > instead of skepticism from a local teacher.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > If it's anything like the UK, it will be a
> long ways to go
> > >> >
> > >> > Valerie Sutton wrote:
> > >> >> SignWriting List
> > >> >> October 19, 2006
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ha! Well...my experience is that it takes
> around three times,
> > >> before
> > >> >> people become convinced to look at it...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The first time they are against it, the
> second time they discuss it
> > >> >> more, and the third time they decide to look
> at it...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So maybe in time he will come around, as
> others write BSL around
> > >> >> him...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> reading and writing English took centuries
> to become
> > >> established...so
> > >> >> there is hope!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Val ;-)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Oct 19, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Shane Gilchrist
> O hEorpa wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> I did invite him :-)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> He said he have better things to do...
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> (!)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> :-)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Shane
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On 19/10/06, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> > >> >>>> SignWriting List
> > >> >>>> October 19, 2006
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa in Belfast wrote:
> > >> >>>> > Was talking to a deaf leader in England
> about that system - he
> > >> >>>> said
> > >> >>>> > that its no good - what with the
> development in video
> > >> technology
> > >> >>>> i.e.
> > >> >>>> > video messages etc - so why the
> signwriting etc?
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > I said having videomessages etc will not
> improve kids'
> > >> literacy in
> > >> >>>> > BSL/NISL but having SW will do.
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > beside, technology isnt good at keeping
> stuff - SW can be
> > >> printed
> > >> >>>> on
> > >> >>>> > any paper and that they ll be still
> there 500 years away :-)
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Hello Shane and Everyone!
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Those are good points, Shane...
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> So did you invite the Deaf leader to the
> SignWriting Workshop on
> > >> Oct
> 
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