Sleeping Beauty Video 1-2

[K.J. Boal]

Thanks Val!  That certainly clears things up... I actually wanted to write 
the beginning hand positions for "king", "queen" and "children"; it seemed 
more intuitive, so I'm going to do that from now on.

I'll be posting the next part of Video 2 later this evening.  And, as of 
next week, I'll be moving a lot faster on the transcribing because I'm 
leaving my job at the end of this week. :-)  I'm hoping to have the main 
transcription done before my course starts.

Talk to you later!
KJ


>From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at MAC.COM>
>Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sleeping Beauty Video 1-2
>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:20:19 -0700
>
>SignWriting List
>April 22, 2007
>
>K.J. Boal wrote:
>>Well, you said if we're going to write only one position, it's  better to 
>>write the end position than the beginning... and I like  your way of 
>>writing "children"; I wouldn't have thought of that.
>
>You are absolutely right...I did say that! ;-)
>
>It is my fault for not being more detailed with my answer...
>
>Writing the second position is best when we are writing Finger  Movements. 
>That was what I was thinking, when we discussed that  before...But I should 
>have realized when I said that, that there are  other circumstances...
>
>
>1. Small Finger Movements Need the Ending Position
>When finger movements are involved, there are two different  handshapes 
>involved with the sign...a beginning position that is  different than the 
>ending position (the result of the action)...so if  a position is taken 
>away, we need to see the second position, or the  result of the action...
>
>like ELEVEN or SLEEP
>
>
>But then there are these two circumstances:
>
>2. Always Write the Position of Contact
>In a sign that has only one position of contact, the position of  contact 
>is written, and then from there you write the movement  relating to the 
>position...Although the position of contact is  oftentimes the second 
>position, it isn't always...for example it is  the first position in the 
>sign for GIRL, and SYMBOL
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>3. No Change in Hand Position (you can write either)...
>In the case of KING and QUEEN, there is no change in handshape, and  there 
>are two positions of contact, so if you chose to write the  first hand 
>position and throw out the second hand position, the same  information 
>would be there for the reader either way...so either  choice is correct...
>
>I enjoyed reading your writing of the signs for KING and QUEEN...It  would 
>be interesting to show the two ways of writing to see which  people 
>prefer...
>
>And the same thing for the sign for CHILDREN...the handshape is the  same 
>throughout so putting the hands at the beginning or the end of  the sign is 
>fine...for some reason we usually put the hands at the  beginning for those 
>kinds of signs...
>
>
>I hope this has been helpful...
>
>Sorry for the confusion...
>
>Val ;-)
>

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