Writing Number 16 in ASL

[Adam Frost]

I think that even though the A is a alternive "pronounciation," it is still viewed as a 10. Kinda like the "O" and the "S" for -- was it Danish Sign Language? 

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:51:09 
To:"SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Cc:"Gallant Philippe" <pgallant at passitonservices.org>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Writing Number 16 in ASL


Stuart -
so your vote is leaving the rotation symbols out...what is your vote  
for the handshape 10 versus A for formal page numbers on documents?

Val ;-)



On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> I personally see no problem with leaving the rotation symbols out.  
> The palm orientations assume the rotation will have to take place  
> anyway, so we do not lose any important information. It makes it  
> more compact for page numbers. It would be a bit silly, but we  
> could make the "artificial" distinction between the name of the  
> number (with a rotation symbol) and the number itself (without a  
> rotation symbol) ... :-D. Probably not necessary though.
>
> If we're taking a vote, I'd say let's try it without the rotation  
> symbol, but accept the rotation symbol as an alternate spelling if  
> people feel more comfortable with it.
>
> What do other Deaf think?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On 22 Aug 2007, at 13:40, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
>> On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>>> Well, it is the 10 hand ... in concept ...  but when I actually  
>>> produce the sign, the thumb of the 10 hand actually rests on the  
>>> hand instead of being fully extended. In other words, the formal  
>>> way to teach is 10+6, but in actual production (at least for me),  
>>> the thumb of the 10 hand is not fully extended.  Does that make  
>>> sense?
>>> Stuart
>>
>> Oh yes...I fully understand that is the way you sign it...and it  
>> is written well for that purpose ;-)
>>
>> But should the formal writing of the number 16, in page numbers at  
>> the bottom of publications like the Bible, and Cat in the  
>> Hat...should that writing be formal or informal?
>>
>> In other words, from a standardization point of view, for formal  
>> writing documents, should we be writing the way one person  
>> produces the sign, or the way the sign was built on 10 plus 6?
>>
>> And actually my real question was related to the Rotation  
>> Symbol...is it really needed in the formal writing of the sign  
>> when we can see the rotation from position to position?
>>
>> I wonder if these questions will ever be fully solved...there are  
>> just so many issues involved with standardization!
>>
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