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Thu Dec 13 22:03:35 UTC 2007

So, I will try to create some posters, and some linguistic researches to show things like,

  Verbal transpositions in ASL grammar.

  Word order in ASL grammar.

  Duplicative grammar particles with ASL examples.

  I am working on transcribing an interpretation for a friend of mine from the Hebrew song.

  "I believe in G-d even when G-d is silent".  The phrase "God is silent" does not work idiomatically in ASL to express the actual idea.

  When the interpreter got it, she talked with the poets, and the performers, and signed it.

  ME BELIEVE GOD, PEOPLE HURT KILL CRY CHILDREN HUNGRY, WHY, (looking upward) WHY (looking for response).

  Silence is here not lack of speech, but lack of discernible response.  

  This is where we can really show the power of both ASL and SW to express non-linear translations.  

GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hoi,
Charles I think you are onto something good. It is intellectual types that prevent progress and think that another way of expressing sign languages is just around the corner. SignWriting just needs to get recognised for the brilliant thing it is .. and all the time SignWriting has been there. The best way of winning the game is to be better at it. SignWriting is good at what it does and the best way is to beat them at their own game..play the game and show and tell: "SignWriting just works". 
Thanks,
     Gerard

Hmm a bit combative for a guy that does not sign and does not read SignWriting ,, :D

  On Dec 12, 2007 10:29 PM, Charles Butler < chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
    If the example of the lesson in ASL is the model given for advertisingI would have to agree with Cherie Wren.  It's not ASL, it's English words with signs.  It may be some variant on SEE, but it is not ASL. 

  His sound byte talks about repeating a sign until you get it right, but that does not "repeat a phrase" until you get it right.

  "I visited five cities last summer" would not be "FIVE CITY SUMMER LAST TOUCH FINISH THEN TOUCH FINISH" or some variant on that.  

  We have a rare opportunity here to do what I desperately wanted to see done at last year's conference in Florianapolis, explain grammar in Sign Writing with Sign Writing examples as the chief explanation.  I saw more than 200 posters that tried, in words, to explain concept clusters in Sign Languages when Sign Writing would have eliminated half the words and enabled conclusions much faster and definitive conclusions at that.

  One could say, for example, talk about narratives and compare them for particular grammatical features, one could then eliminate what doesn't seem to be a viable explanation for some grammatical feature, or one could show how, for example, the tilting of a hat eventually evolved into the common sign for MAN in ASL.  

  Comparing all the "FINISH" verbal endings would be much more simple, and even be useful for SEE-based English sign order processes.  

  Charles Butler

  Charles     

Cherie Wren <CWren at doe.k12.ga.us> wrote:

"I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that  
started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page..."

Its not ASL, if the video of Jake talking about his course is any indication.  He is signing straight English word order..  Of course, you can write signed English in SW, I just have objections to it being marketed as an ASL course... 

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Cherie Wren
GSD Science Teacher
232 Perry Farm Rd
Cave Spring, GA 30124
706-777-2328

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----- Message from "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42 -0800 -----           To:
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  [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
SignWriting List
December 12, 2007

I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that  
started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...

http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php

Have you ever seen this new course?

We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.

Do you think that would be a good idea? 

Val ;-)

----- Message from GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:00:22 +0100 -----           To:
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Hoi,
They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his opinion about SignWriting ... :) 
Thanks,
   Gerard

On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com > wrote: 
SignWriting List
December 12, 2007

I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page... 

http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php 

Have you ever seen this new course?

We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.

Do you think that would be a good idea? 

Val ;-)

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----- Message from "Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni" <rodbagni at gmail.com > on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:08:51 -0300 -----           To:
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Maybe not. 
Because he says that it is difficult to read the pictures and drawings because they are bad.
In case of SignWriting it is different, you can read the sign very well, but first you have to learn it. 

On Dec 12, 2007 4:00 PM, GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com > wrote: 
Hoi,
They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his opinion about SignWriting ... :) 
Thanks,
   Gerard 

On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote: 
SignWriting List
December 12, 2007 

I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that 
started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...

http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php 

Have you ever seen this new course?

We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting. 

Do you think that would be a good idea? 

Val ;-)

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----- Message from "Valerie Sutton" < signwriting at mac.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:10:47 -0800 -----           To:
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SignWriting List
December 12, 2007

Gerard -
It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting!   
Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, then his  
opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it yet...but  
when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have  
importance... 

I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!

My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is good  
ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, then it   
will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which  
will then be an added help to Jake's students...

People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a way to  
write their language yet, and this would be a good way to collaborate  
with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that  
there is a way to write the language now...

But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether  
this course would be a good one to work with... 

There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we could  
contact any one f them and ask permission to write those courses in  
SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...

So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and should we   
contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?

All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are surprised,  
but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against  
it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not know it... 

Val ;-)

----------

On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:

> Hoi,
> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful  
> drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now  
> obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does  
> not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his   
> opinion about SignWriting ... :)
> Thanks,
>     Gerard
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote: 
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2007
>
> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...
>
> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php
>
> Have you ever seen this new course? 
>
> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.
>
> Do you think that would be a good idea?
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
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----- Message from Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:11:29 +0000 -----           To:
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I was just looking at the address. I live right by where they are based. Might be something to look into. ;)

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: "Valerie Sutton" < signwriting at mac.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42 
To:"SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Subject: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion... 

SignWriting List
December 12, 2007

I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that  
started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...

http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php

Have you ever seen this new course?

We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.

Do you think that would be a good idea?

Val ;-)

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----- Message from Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:15:25 +0000 -----           To:
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I haven't had a chance to look at the videos because I am at work at the moment. 

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: "Valerie Sutton" < signwriting at mac.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:10:47 
To:"SignWriting List" < sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...

SignWriting List
December 12, 2007

Gerard -
It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting!   
Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, then his  
opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it yet...but  
when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have  
importance... 

I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!

My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is good  
ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, then it  
will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which  
will then be an added help to Jake's students...

People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a way to   
write their language yet, and this would be a good way to collaborate  
with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that  
there is a way to write the language now...

But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether   
this course would be a good one to work with...

There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we could  
contact any one f them and ask permission to write those courses in  
SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students... 

So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and should we  
contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?

All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are surprised,  
but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against  
it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not know it...

Val ;-)

----------

On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote: 

> Hoi,
> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful  
> drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now  
> obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does   
> not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his  
> opinion about SignWriting ... :)
> Thanks,
>     Gerard
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton < signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2007
>
> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...
>
> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php
>
> Have you ever seen this new course? 
>
> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.
>
> Do you think that would be a good idea?
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
>
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