RocketSigns

[GerardM]

Hoi,
Charles I think you are onto something good. It is intellectual types that
prevent progress and think that another way of expressing sign languages is
just around the corner. SignWriting just needs to get recognised for the
brilliant thing it is .. and all the time SignWriting has been there. The
best way of winning the game is to be better at it. SignWriting is good at
what it does and the best way is to beat them at their own game..play the
game and show and tell: "SignWriting just works".
Thanks,
     Gerard

Hmm a bit combative for a guy that does not sign and does not read
SignWriting ,, :D

On Dec 12, 2007 10:29 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If the example of the lesson in ASL is the model given for advertisingI
> would have to agree with Cherie Wren.  It's not ASL, it's English words with
> signs.  It may be some variant on SEE, but it is not ASL.
>
> His sound byte talks about repeating a sign until you get it right, but
> that does not "repeat a phrase" until you get it right.
>
> "I visited five cities last summer" would not be "FIVE CITY SUMMER LAST
> TOUCH FINISH THEN TOUCH FINISH" or some variant on that.
>
> We have a rare opportunity here to do what I desperately wanted to see
> done at last year's conference in Florianapolis, explain grammar in Sign
> Writing with Sign Writing examples as the chief explanation.  I saw more
> than 200 posters that tried, in words, to explain concept clusters in Sign
> Languages when Sign Writing would have eliminated half the words and enabled
> conclusions much faster and definitive conclusions at that.
>
> One could say, for example, talk about narratives and compare them for
> particular grammatical features, one could then eliminate what doesn't seem
> to be a viable explanation for some grammatical feature, or one could show
> how, for example, the tilting of a hat eventually evolved into the common
> sign for MAN in ASL.
>
> Comparing all the "FINISH" verbal endings would be much more simple, and
> even be useful for SEE-based English sign order processes.
>
> Charles Butler
>
>
> Charles
>
>
> *Cherie Wren <CWren at doe.k12.ga.us>* wrote:
>
>
> "I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page..."
>
> Its not ASL, if the video of Jake talking about his course is any
> indication.  He is signing straight English word order..  Of course, you can
> write signed English in SW, I just have objections to it being marketed as
> an ASL course...
>
> ---------------------------------
> Cherie Wren
> GSD Science Teacher
> 232 Perry Farm Rd
> Cave Spring, GA 30124
> 706-777-2328
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>   1. Curious for your opinion... (Valerie Sutton)
>   2. Re: Curious for your opinion... (GerardM)
>   3. Re: Curious for your opinion... (Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni)
>   4. Re: Curious for your opinion... (Valerie Sutton)
>   5. Re: Curious for your opinion... ( Adam Frost )
>   6. Re: Curious for your opinion... ( Adam Frost )
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> ----- Message from "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com> on Wed, 12 Dec
> 2007 10:38:42 -0800 -----   *To:*
> "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>  *Subject:*
> [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2007
>
> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...
>
> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php
>
> Have you ever seen this new course?
>
> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.
>
> Do you think that would be a good idea?
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
> ----- Message from GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007
> 20:00:22 +0100 -----   *To:*
> "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>  *Subject:*
> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
> Hoi,
> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful drawings ... and
> that you as a student do not need them :) Now obviously, SignWriting is
> writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does not know about SignWriting and if
> he does I am interested in his opinion about SignWriting ... :)
> Thanks,
>    Gerard
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <*signwriting at mac.com*<signwriting at mac.com>>
> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2007
>
> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...
> *
> **http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php*<http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php>
>
> Have you ever seen this new course?
>
> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.
>
> Do you think that would be a good idea?
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
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> ----- Message from "Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni" <rodbagni at gmail.com> on Wed,
> 12 Dec 2007 16:08:51 -0300 -----   *To:*
> "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>  *Subject:*
> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
> Maybe not.
> Because he says that it is difficult to read the pictures and drawings
> because they are bad.
> In case of SignWriting it is different, you can read the sign very well,
> but first you have to learn it.
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 4:00 PM, GerardM <*gerard.meijssen at gmail.com*<gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> Hoi,
> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful drawings ... and
> that you as a student do not need them :) Now obviously, SignWriting is
> writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does not know about SignWriting and if
> he does I am interested in his opinion about SignWriting ... :)
> Thanks,
>    Gerard
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <*signwriting at mac.com*<signwriting at mac.com>>
> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2007
>
> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...
> *
> **http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php *<http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php>
>
> Have you ever seen this new course?
>
> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.
>
> Do you think that would be a good idea?
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
>
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> ----- Message from "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com> on Wed, 12 Dec
> 2007 11:10:47 -0800 -----   *To:*
> "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>  *Subject:*
> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2007
>
> Gerard -
> It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting!
> Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, then his
> opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it yet...but
> when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have
> importance...
>
> I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!
>
> My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is good
> ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, then it
> will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which
> will then be an added help to Jake's students...
>
> People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a way to
> write their language yet, and this would be a good way to collaborate
> with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that
> there is a way to write the language now...
>
> But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether
> this course would be a good one to work with...
>
> There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we could
> contact any one f them and ask permission to write those courses in
> SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...
>
> So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and should we
> contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?
>
> All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are surprised,
> but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against
> it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not know it...
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ----------
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful
> > drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now
> > obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does
> > not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his
> > opinion about SignWriting ... :)
> > Thanks,
> >     Gerard
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > December 12, 2007
> >
> > I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> > started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...
> >
> > http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php
> >
> > Have you ever seen this new course?
> >
> > We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.
> >
> > Do you think that would be a good idea?
> >
> > Val ;-)
> >
> >
> >
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> ----- Message from Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007
> 19:11:29 +0000 -----   *To:*
> "SW List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>  *Subject:*
> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
> I was just looking at the address. I live right by where they are based.
> Might be something to look into. ;)
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42
> To:"SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Subject: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
>
>
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2007
>
> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...
>
> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php
>
> Have you ever seen this new course?
>
> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.
>
> Do you think that would be a good idea?
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
>
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>
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> ----- Message from Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007
> 19:15:25 +0000 -----   *To:*
> "SW List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>  *Subject:*
> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
> I haven't had a chance to look at the videos because I am at work at the
> moment.
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:10:47
> To:"SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...
>
>
> SignWriting List
> December 12, 2007
>
> Gerard -
> It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting!
> Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, then his
> opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it yet...but
> when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have
> importance...
>
> I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!
>
> My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is good
> ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, then it
> will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which
> will then be an added help to Jake's students...
>
> People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a way to
> write their language yet, and this would be a good way to collaborate
> with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that
> there is a way to write the language now...
>
> But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether
> this course would be a good one to work with...
>
> There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we could
> contact any one f them and ask permission to write those courses in
> SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...
>
> So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and should we
> contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?
>
> All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are surprised,
> but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against
> it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not know it...
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ----------
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful
> > drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now
> > obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does
> > not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his
> > opinion about SignWriting ... :)
> > Thanks,
> >     Gerard
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > December 12, 2007
> >
> > I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that
> > started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...
> >
> > http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php
> >
> > Have you ever seen this new course?
> >
> > We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.
> >
> > Do you think that would be a good idea?
> >
> > Val ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________
> >
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