AW: [sw-l] Handwriting course Stefans homework

Sun Jan 14 20:13:51 UTC 2007

Hi sw-list - Ingvild and participants of the Handwriting course

thank you Ingvild for your comment. In fact - I did the same with this grid
on the paper and it has been very helpful. I produced several teaching
materials to support participants of my workshops to become attentive to the
proportions between the different symbols ( head - circle, flathand fist
lenght of fingers attached ....

There are almost geometric rules - as how wide or high the symbols should
look like - if you follow the original DOS - symbols as they had been used
in the good old SignWriter programm. 

Interesting enough - if you violate these proportions as an experienced
reader the signs are pretty difficult to read - 

So it would be great Valerie if you could be so kind to inform us later
about the process when you thought about symbol - design for the first time.

And Ingvild didn't you mention that you attributed an important part in the
"house" - flat hand - handshape? - which is double a fist high... 

See attached one of my charts ... 

Stefan ;-) 

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Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Ingvild Roald
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 16:37
An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Betreff: RE: [sw-l] Handwriting course Stefans homework

Personally, I used a block of ruled paper - 0.5 cm squares - for my tryouts.

I used 2 of the squares for the with of the hand symbol, and wrote about a 
full page of each symbol until I felt comfortable with the strokes and the 
look. - Look forward to Val's comment of the way my symbols look, she may 
not be entirely pleased, maybe .... Well, I am back at being a student, and 
then the teacher is the boss ...

As for the two open lines fot the flat hand in bird's perspective - maybe it

would feel better if we kept the bottom, and just let the top off?

And as for the arrows - mostly, I would say they do not matter, but if you 
let the arrowstem go all the way up to the tip for the right hand, and not 
for the left, you do get a distiction

Ingvild

>From: "Stefan Wöhrmann"<stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
>Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>Subject: [sw-l] Handwriting course  Stefans homework
>Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:09:32 +0100
>
>Hi Valerie  sw-listmembers  participants of the SW Handwriting course 
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>attached you find page 8  - homework of this Handwriting course
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>
>Hi Valerie  here are my comments while I tried to follow your advice :
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>
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>1)       I asked myself  thinking of my students and of me when I had been
>a 6 year old boy  does it make sense to write carefully and slowly in the
>beginning instead of just focus on speed?
>
>At my age  speed is not my first interest in Handwriting  but rather the
>option to be able to take notes in a reasonable time if no computer is
>asside  or if I wish to make a first draft of video-transcription 
>
>So I guess I will retry to write everything with more accuracy  even as if
>writing a calligraphic piece of art   For my first grade students I even
>developed worksheets that allowed them just to write upon given lines and
>letters in order to practise the keystroke again and again in a guided
>manner ... I think of same materials for SW Handwriting.
>
>2)       In order to understand the Handwriting procedure I had to turn
>several time to your posted lessons  showing lifelike drawings of
>handshapes  SW printing and SW Handwriting aside. Thanks for that  it is 
>a
>great support
>
>3)       Within this context  I bet that a rather stupid repetition of
>every handshape in all 96 variations would be a rather helpful task to
>become familiar with how to write ... I would prefer to have access to a
>table of clearly written handsymbols of the six basic hand shapes we used 
>to
>talk about 
>
>4)       Flat hand with no lines (parallel to the floor seems not that easy
>to read for me  hm  somehow I feel uncomfortable with this solution  how
>about others??
>
>5)       What about arrow  writing. I am looking forward to learn about
>your ideas how to distinguish between right hand/ lefthand  both hands
>arrows (Within this excercise I watched myself to neglect the fill for the
>right hand movement and even wrote the arrowhead  which is used in 
>printing
>for hands as unit  for right hand movement  Especially circle movements
>( like in sign are of particular interest to me.)
>
>6)       When I started to create TT-Fonts for publishing I tried to
>understand your idea bind symbol  construction  At that time I measured
>every sign and compared the lenghts of the lines and the proportions of
>different symbols. In the end I understood several principles that are
>really interesting regarding lenght and width of the differen symbols. Who
>knows how much time you spend on this question or whether you felt guided 
>by
>DOS  pixel  graphic  possibilities? Anyway while trying to do my 
>homework
>I understood that there are different proportions compared to printing- for
>example often I write the circle for the head too small ... so I guess it
>will take time to develop a kind of feeling for proportions in handwriting?
>
>7)       It turned out that copying printing to Handwriting repeatedly has
>been a neccessary until I felt able to do the Handwriting without 
>additional
>support. I guess that Deaf people  fluent in their SignLanguage  will 
>have
>not as much trouble to imagine a visual representation of all the different
>possibilities of handshape and handorientation. So back to practice of
>writing again and again 96 hand tables - ;-)
>
>8)       Can you add numbers to the pages or can you teach me how to add
>numbers to a downloaded PDF ?
>
>9)       What do you recommend for scanning? The scanner offers different
>options  100 dpi enough for our purposes? Are you interested in the
>original page or just in what we wrote on paper. The last option would 
>allow
>us to scan a smaller area  less pixel  minor bites!
>
>10)   Just imaging  sitting in your house  doing this Handwriting it 
>would
>be helpful to get your feedback while you are going around and looking at 
>my
>procedure  smaller or big enough, too slow or quick enough, and to learn
>from others about their ideas, problems and questions. So thank you soooo
>much for your time and attention to do all this email-feedback and your
>website  design  which is a standard of its own - congrats  -
>
>
>
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>
>I got photos from some participants and as I said before it is fun to put
>faces to the names and lateron sign names. So everybody of this Handwriting
>course is invited who is interested to get his own Handwriting and Printing
>signname as a unique TT  Font to send a photo to me. 
>
>
>
>I am looking forward to study the comments and feedback and to learn more
>about Handwriting next week.
>
>
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>Have a super  weekend
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>
>Stefan ;-)
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