AW: [sw-l] Handwriting course Stefans homework

Wed Jan 17 03:01:33 UTC 2007

Val,
    I am also interested in learning about the proportion of the symbols
and also of the box SignText uses to draw each sign in.

Jonathan

Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
> Hi sw-list - Ingvild and participants of the Handwriting course
>
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> thank you Ingvild for your comment. In fact - I did the same with this grid
> on the paper and it has been very helpful. I produced several teaching
> materials to support participants of my workshops to become attentive to the
> proportions between the different symbols ( head - circle, flathand fist
> lenght of fingers attached ....
>
> There are almost geometric rules - as how wide or high the symbols should
> look like - if you follow the original DOS - symbols as they had been used
> in the good old SignWriter programm. 
>
> Interesting enough - if you violate these proportions as an experienced
> reader the signs are pretty difficult to read - 
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> So it would be great Valerie if you could be so kind to inform us later
> about the process when you thought about symbol - design for the first time.
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> And Ingvild didn't you mention that you attributed an important part in the
> "house" - flat hand - handshape? - which is double a fist high... 
>
> See attached one of my charts ... 
>
> Stefan ;-) 
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Ingvild Roald
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 16:37
> An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Betreff: RE: [sw-l] Handwriting course Stefans homework
>
> Personally, I used a block of ruled paper - 0.5 cm squares - for my tryouts.
>
> I used 2 of the squares for the with of the hand symbol, and wrote about a 
> full page of each symbol until I felt comfortable with the strokes and the 
> look. - Look forward to Val's comment of the way my symbols look, she may 
> not be entirely pleased, maybe .... Well, I am back at being a student, and 
> then the teacher is the boss ...
>
> As for the two open lines fot the flat hand in bird's perspective - maybe it
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> would feel better if we kept the bottom, and just let the top off?
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> And as for the arrows - mostly, I would say they do not matter, but if you 
> let the arrowstem go all the way up to the tip for the right hand, and not 
> for the left, you do get a distiction
>
> Ingvild
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>> From: "Stefan Wöhrmann"<stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
>> Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> Subject: [sw-l] Handwriting course  Stefans homework
>> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:09:32 +0100
>>
>> Hi Valerie -- sw-listmembers -- participants of the SW Handwriting course --
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>> attached you find page 8  - homework of this Handwriting course
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>> Hi Valerie -- here are my comments while I tried to follow your advice :
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>> 1)       I asked myself -- thinking of my students and of me when I had been
>> a 6 year old boy -- does it make sense to write carefully and slowly in the
>> beginning instead of just focus on speed?
>>
>> At my age -- speed is not my first interest in Handwriting -- but rather the
>> option to be able to take notes in a reasonable time if no computer is
>> asside -- or if I wish to make a first draft of video-transcription --
>>
>> So I guess I will retry to write everything with more accuracy -- even as if
>> writing a calligraphic piece of art --  For my first grade students I even
>> developed worksheets that allowed them just to write upon given lines and
>> letters in order to practise the keystroke again and again in a guided
>> manner ... I think of same materials for SW Handwriting.
>>
>> 2)       In order to understand the Handwriting procedure I had to turn
>> several time to your posted lessons -- showing lifelike drawings of
>> handshapes -- SW printing and SW Handwriting aside. Thanks for that -- it is 
>> a
>> great support
>>
>> 3)       Within this context -- I bet that a rather stupid repetition of
>> every handshape in all 96 variations would be a rather helpful task to
>> become familiar with how to write ... I would prefer to have access to a
>> table of clearly written handsymbols of the six basic hand shapes we used 
>> to
>> talk about --
>>
>> 4)       Flat hand with no lines (parallel to the floor seems not that easy
>> to read for me -- hm -- somehow I feel uncomfortable with this solution -- how
>> about others??
>>
>> 5)       What about arrow -- writing. I am looking forward to learn about
>> your ideas how to distinguish between right hand/ lefthand -- both hands
>> arrows (Within this excercise I watched myself to neglect the fill for the
>> right hand movement and even wrote the arrowhead -- which is used in 
>> printing
>> for "hands as unit" -- for right hand movement -- Especially circle movements
>> ( like in sign are of particular interest to me.)
>>
>> 6)       When I started to create TT-Fonts for publishing I tried to
>> understand your idea bind "symbol -- construction"  At that time I measured
>> every sign and compared the lenghts of the lines and the proportions of
>> different symbols. In the end I understood several principles that are
>> really interesting regarding lenght and width of the differen symbols. Who
>> knows how much time you spend on this question or whether you felt guided 
>> by
>> DOS -- pixel -- graphic -- possibilities? Anyway while trying to do my 
>> homework
>> I understood that there are different proportions compared to printing- for
>> example often I write the circle for the head too small ... so I guess it
>> will take time to develop a kind of feeling for proportions in handwriting?
>>
>> 7)       It turned out that copying printing to Handwriting repeatedly has
>> been a neccessary until I felt able to do the Handwriting without 
>> additional
>> support. I guess that Deaf people -- fluent in their SignLanguage -- will 
>> have
>> not as much trouble to imagine a visual representation of all the different
>> possibilities of handshape and handorientation. So back to practice of
>> writing again and again 96 hand --tables - ;-)
>>
>> 8)       Can you add numbers to the pages or can you teach me how to add
>> numbers to a downloaded PDF ?
>>
>> 9)       What do you recommend for scanning? The scanner offers different
>> options -- 100 dpi enough for our purposes? Are you interested in the
>> original page or just in what we wrote on paper. The last option would 
>> allow
>> us to scan a smaller area -- less pixel -- minor bites!
>>
>> 10)   Just imaging -- sitting in your house -- doing this Handwriting it 
>> would
>> be helpful to get your feedback while you are going around and looking at 
>> my
>> procedure -- smaller or big enough, too slow or quick enough, and to learn
>>     
> >from others about their ideas, problems and questions. So thank you soooo
>   
>> much for your time and attention to do all this email-feedback and your
>> website -- design -- which is a standard of its own - congrats  -
>>
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>> I got photos from some participants and as I said before it is fun to put
>> faces to the names and lateron sign names. So everybody of this Handwriting
>> course is invited who is interested to get his own Handwriting and Printing
>> signname as a unique TT -- Font to send a photo to me. --
>>
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>> I am looking forward to study the comments and feedback and to learn more
>> about Handwriting next week.
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>> Have a super  weekend
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>>
>> Stefan ;-)
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