Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
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Tue May 22 18:32:41 UTC 2007
Actually, programming the two digits to show one or two images is not that hard. To do the full sign for the full number would take a lot more programming. In fact, I have just up dated the codes so that the year will now put a zero in front of the single digit numbers. I have two sets of codes for number between 0-9. One with the zero and another without. Just look at the page again and everything has everyone's suggestion.
From: "Bill Reese" <wreese01 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:02:25
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Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
I agree, I see the year signed the same way, as either two thousand seven or twenty zero seven, but that doesn't seem to allow for an easy tie-in to the computer's representation of the year. If you start out with three signs, either "two" "thousand" and "seven" or "twenty" "zero" and "seven", what do you do with the unnecessary sign place when you get to 2010 and can sign "twenty" and "ten"? Or when you get to 2111 when it's "two" "thousand" "one" "hundred" "eleven"? It just seems easier to throw in the towel on this one and represent it as digits 0-9.
On the other hand, it's possible to program for any year in ASL, it just needs that little bit of additional programming to make it happen - perhaps building the sequence first then displaying it as one "sign" in the calendar.
Adam Frost wrote: Right, that is how digit are done is English, but numbers are completely different in ASL. The best way to explain it is an ASL "digit" goes from 0 to 99, not 0 to 9 as in English. So I am using the computer clock to get the time and getting the two English digits for one ASL digit. Also, I only see deaf/Deafies sign the year as two thousand seven or twenty zero seven, respectively. (Deafies are considered more ASL because they follow the ASL digit rule when rendering numbers). I never see anyone but hearies who will render numbers as single digits from 0-9. I guess it's a ASL/Deaf brain thing. LOL. Adam -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Reese" <wreese01 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM>: <mailto:wreese01 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:29:13 To:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu: <mailto:To:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting Adam, I don't know of two signs "20" and "07." I'd be tempted to treat it li!
ke a decimal sequence, "2," "0," "0," and "7." I assume that you're tying into the computer's clock and calendar to keep track of the day, date and time. If so, presenting the decimal places of the years with the first 10 digits (0 - 9) would seem to allow the greatest flexibility in displaying whatever time the user wanted - such as 1983, 2025, 2350, etc. Bill Adam Frost wrote: Feedback! I love it because it gets me thinging about things I either never thought about or discarded as unimportant prematurly. Charles, you mentioned about learning Thursday with an H. You are right. At first, I was going to do the days of the week with their ful signs, but Sunday took a lot of room. So, I went with the first letter of the days of the week. I guess I could have done "TH" for Thurday, but then something would have to be done with Sunday and Saturday. Which brings me to another issue that Val brought up. The Sunday is colored not because it is today, but because it is the first day!
of the week. Kinda like how English calendars have Sunday as !
since I am talking about Val's comments. :-) I had written the 16-19 as out-in rotations because that was how it felt to me when I signed it, but when you asked if it should be out-in or out-out, I thought about it and you are right. It should be out-out, so your verson 3 is right. And of course, Bill, I didn't forget you. I was thinking that the year should be changed a little because it could get confusing, but then I discarded that because I thought that thinking it would be fine. You are right that it could be confused with the archaic 27 (ASL archaic means that it hasn't been widely used in the last 50 years. Ha!). Would saying 20 07 like Val said be clearer? I could easily do some changing around to fix that. About the background picture, very cute idea. :-) Before I do that, I would have to make the images used for SignWriting transparent, so that the background doesn't look bad. Ha! Again. Thanks for the feed back that you have given me. Now I can make some improveme!
nts. :-) And if there are any other ideas, just let me know. Adam -----Original Message----- From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com>: <mailto:signwriting at mac.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:47:19 To:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu: <mailto:To:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting SignWriting List May 22, 2007 Adam's calendar and time in ASL brings up a lot of interesting issues about writing the days of the week, as Charles pointed out...related to Thursday, and then Bill pointed out the writing of the year 2007...I believe Adam meant 20 and then 7...smile...maybe an 07 would make it clear ;-) I am fascinated by the writing of 16, 17, 18, and 19...The rotation symbol ...I wonder...maybe you mean out-out? then both arrows would be going in the same direction...at the moment the rotation is even, with no emphasis on the out...so it is rotating out and then in...I experimented by placing a third and fourth entry for !
16 in the ASL Dictionary in SignPuddle...or maybe it is just g!
aking...that is another idea ;-)) But all those tiny details aside....this is a really fun and fascinating idea...THANK YOU, Adam!
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