AW: [sw-l] ASL rhetoricals

Wed Oct 31 14:27:34 UTC 2007

Hi Adam, 
wonderful explanation - thanks for this lesson!
Stefan;-)

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[mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2007 15:04
An: SignWriting List
Betreff: [sw-l] ASL rhetoricals

Stefan, 

Very interesting question. True, not everything is black and white when it
comes to languages. So your question: is there a time when a wh-word
rhetorical question is with the brows down rather than up? Well, the first
thing that comes to mind is when the signer looks away from the audiance to
ask his/herself a question because he/she is unsure of the answer. However,
this would not be a rhetorical question because the question is no longer
being directed to the audiance. I guess it could be done if the signer is
unsure of the answer, but that would mean that the signer (whether
conscience or not) wants someone to "answer" or confirm the answer. So for
the effect of the wh-word rhetorical question to have the desired results,
the brows must be up. And that was my point with Kelly Jo. Some people may
switch it up for several reasons, but I have yet to see a Deaf of Deaf
native switch it up when in a natural conversation. 

Adam

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From: "Stefan Wöhrmann"
	<stefanwoehrmann at gebaerdenschrift.de>

Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:14:51 
To:"'SignWriting List'" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Subject: AW: [sw-l] "Birthday Party" Page 1

Hi Adam, 
here in Germany we do almost the same – questions that ask for a yes no
answer with eyebrows uo – but open questions eyebrows down. Now – looking at
hours and hours of DGS – videos I have to admit that things do not seem to
be that easy- Sometime absolutey strong and compentent DEAF signers
(themselves being SL-instructors) violate this “rule” – I guess
unconciously. I get the impression that the eyebrow up vs. down question is
pretty much dependent on the “motivation/idea/ feeling” of the signer ... 
So thanks for your feedback – in this case -- 
“You have a rhetorical wh-word question. The eyebrows should be up, not
down. “ 
Can you think of a situation that you would rather sign a rhetorical WH-word
with exebrows down – and would not feel irritated – because the message you
send with this mimic goes along with these eyebrows down? 

Stefan ;-) 

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Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2007 02:20
 An: kjoanne403 at hotmail.com; SignWriting List
 Betreff: Re: [sw-l] "Birthday Party" Page 1 

Written very well. I enjoyed the story. First page does not have spelling
errors that I caught on first read, but there is a grammar error. ;-) You
have a rhetorical wh-word question. The eyebrows should be up, not down. 

 Adam 

On 10/30/07, kjoanne403 at hotmail.com <kjoanne403 at hotmail.com > wrote: 

Hi everyone, 
I got excited about the book again when I was posting earlier, so I got busy
this evening and rewrote what I wanted to rewrite. There are seven pages in
all (though I don't think #6 really needs proofreading . . . it's only one
sign, but I'm going to send it anyway so I don't break up the flow of the
story.) As I said earlier, feedback/comments/criticism is welcome! 

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