CZECH question about contacts and arrows

Sun Sep 2 14:32:42 UTC 2007

ANSWER PART 1:

Honza wrote:
> First about writing contact and rules for that.
> 1) How do you know where is the contact made? - logically it is  
> supposed to be in the centre of hand (right hand).

Val writes:
I would not assume that a contact is in the center of the hand at  
all. There are some signs that must have the contact at the bottom of  
the hand or at the top of the hand...

There are two parts to the answer to this question.

1. If you apply Spelling Rule 1 on this web page:

SignSpelling Rule 1: Always Write the Position of Contact
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html

and you write the two hands relating to each other as perfectly as  
possible, in the exact area where you want the contact to be made,  
most of the time this is enough information for everyday writing...I  
have created an easy example below...I realize there are other times  
when it is not so easy as this one....In this example I know the  
contact is at the bottom, middle or at the top of the hand...by  
reading the "positions of the hands"

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2. When writing for daily use, more information than the above is not  
necessary. But for linguistic research, I suppose we could start  
using Location Markers, which we use in Movement Writing. You just  
place a circle on the exact area of contact. You can see this circle  
method already used for other Location Symbols. These symbols below  
are not used in everyday writing. They are called Location Markers  
and we circle the area of the exact contact for sorting dictionaries  
and writing detailed linguistic research. I was planning to add some  
circling sections of the hand to the IMWA but I never got to it:

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Hands with these Location Markers would be like this:

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but we do not write with these Location Markers...we use them only  
for detailed sorting of dictionaries and detailed research...they are  
not necessary for everyday writing.

Honza wrote:
> But is there way how to write where is the contact exactly made?  
> (probably here http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/ 
> less006.html)  It is not easy to write that especially if one of  
> hands is black.

I took a look at this web page, which you mention above:

http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less006.html

and that page is about Surface Symbols. Surface Symbols show whether  
a hand or finger is placed above or below or in front of, or to the  
side of another surface...but Surface Symbols do not specifiy the  
EXACT location on the surface...just the general above-below  
information.

> (see 1.jpg)
> 1a) what is more important? where is contact made? do you know  
> thanks to hands positions or thanks to contact symbols?

Thanks to hand positions....We know, 98 per cent of the time, by the  
hand positions, as shown here:

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Sometimes placing the contact star in a specific place might help  
too...but that is rare...

So Honza, you showed us an example like this:

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How would you show contacting different sections of that hand? I  
would assume reading the above diagram, that your fingers are  
touching on the lower section of the hand. Here in my two examples  
below, I read the hand positions first, to see how it looks in real  
life, and the Touch star is just giving added information...below the  
top one is touching in the middle of the hand, and the bottom one is  
touching at the bottom of the hand....continued next message...Val ;-)

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