CZECH question about contacts and arrows

[Honza]

Hi Val,

thanks for explaining this, but I see there one more difficulty.
What if hands are placed as on my exaple (1.jpg) in origin message.
(enclosing as well)
How can you show exact position of contact? (if palm is oriented to the
side, but not clear if it is oriented forward)

Honza


Valerie Sutton wrote:
> ANSWER PART 1:
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> Honza wrote:
>> First about writing contact and rules for that.
>> 1) How do you know where is the contact made? - logically it is 
>> supposed to be in the centre of hand (right hand).
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> Val writes:
> I would not assume that a contact is in the center of the hand at all. 
> There are some signs that must have the contact at the bottom of the 
> hand or at the top of the hand...
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> There are two parts to the answer to this question.
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> 1. If you apply Spelling Rule 1 on this web page:
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> SignSpelling Rule 1: Always Write the Position of Contact
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html
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> and you write the two hands relating to each other as perfectly as 
> possible, in the exact area where you want the contact to be made, 
> most of the time this is enough information for everyday writing...I 
> have created an easy example below...I realize there are other times 
> when it is not so easy as this one....In this example I know the 
> contact is at the bottom, middle or at the top of the hand...by 
> reading the "positions of the hands"
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> 2. When writing for daily use, more information than the above is not 
> necessary. But for linguistic research, I suppose we could start using 
> Location Markers, which we use in Movement Writing. You just place a 
> circle on the exact area of contact. You can see this circle method 
> already used for other Location Symbols. These symbols below are not 
> used in everyday writing. They are called Location Markers and we 
> circle the area of the exact contact for sorting dictionaries and 
> writing detailed linguistic research. I was planning to add some 
> circling sections of the hand to the IMWA but I never got to it:
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> Hands with these Location Markers would be like this:
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> but we do not write with these Location Markers...we use them only for 
> detailed sorting of dictionaries and detailed research...they are not 
> necessary for everyday writing.
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> Honza wrote:
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>> But is there way how to write where is the contact exactly made? 
>> (probably here 
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less006.html)  It is not 
>> easy to write that especially if one of hands is black.
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> I took a look at this web page, which you mention above:
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> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less006.html
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> and that page is about Surface Symbols. Surface Symbols show whether a 
> hand or finger is placed above or below or in front of, or to the side 
> of another surface...but Surface Symbols do not specifiy the EXACT 
> location on the surface...just the general above-below information.
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>> (see 1.jpg)
>> 1a) what is more important? where is contact made? do you know thanks 
>> to hands positions or thanks to contact symbols?
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> Thanks to hand positions....We know, 98 per cent of the time, by the 
> hand positions, as shown here:
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> Sometimes placing the contact star in a specific place might help 
> too...but that is rare...
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> So Honza, you showed us an example like this:
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> How would you show contacting different sections of that hand? I would 
> assume reading the above diagram, that your fingers are touching on 
> the lower section of the hand. Here in my two examples below, I read 
> the hand positions first, to see how it looks in real life, and the 
> Touch star is just giving added information...below the top one is 
> touching in the middle of the hand, and the bottom one is touching at 
> the bottom of the hand....continued next message...Val ;-)
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