compounded sings

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
August 3, 2008

Hello Honza and everyone on the SW List:

Honza and I have been discussing how to write "compound signs" using  
SignPuddle software, and I wanted to share with you all how I  
personally write a compound sign...

1. I find one of the signs already written in SignPuddle.
2. I copy that one sign, which brings it into SignMaker.
3. Then I write the other signs that are involved in the compound,  
directly in SignMaker, and I put the two signs together into one sign.
4. Then I save it to SignPuddle as a new sign.

If it is necessary for me to look at one of the other signs, while I  
am re-writing it in SignPuddle, I open a second web browser, and view  
the second sign in SignPuddle, while I am creating the compound in  
SignMaker using Firefox.

For me, when I write compounds, they usually become more than "two  
signs"...they are oftentimes blended into one sign, like the sign for  
"DAUGHTER" in ASL, which is really a compound sign that includes the  
signs for GIRL and BABY...so I would prefer to write the compounds  
manually and adjust them, before saving them as a new sign in  
SignPuddle...

Please see attached diagram...





Does this help at all, Honza? Or are there other issues I have not  
understood in your question?

Val ;-)






On Aug 3, 2008, at 2:58 AM, Honza wrote:

> Hi Val again,
>
> yeah, you are right.
> There are more sings, that are combinations of two or more sings and  
> nowadays in SignMaker it is not possible to create signs combining  
> previously written signs.
>
> thanks,
> Honza
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Valerie Sutton  
> <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
> Hello Honza -
> Thanks for this message. I hope in the future you can post these  
> kinds of questions to the SignWriting List. That helps me because we  
> all learn together that way...
>
> I am not sure I understand you...
>
> Here is what I think you are asking...
>
> Some signs are "combinations" of two signs...
>
> for example "sister-in-law" is the combination of the individual  
> signs for "LAW" and "SISTER"...
>
> right now, we can only copy one sign at a time in SignMaker in  
> SignPuddle...but you are hoping that we could copy LAW and then  
> SISTER and place them BOTH into SignMaker so that he could then  
> combine them into ONE sign and save them in SignPuddle as a  
> "compound sign" that is one sign with two signs inside it...
>
> Is that what you are asking for? The ability to copy more than one  
> sign into SignMaker to combine signs into compound signs?
>
> I realized that feature would be useful before, but instead I copy  
> one sign into SignMaker and then write the second one from  
> scratch...which by the way is just as well because sometimes the two  
> signs blend together anyway...and then I save the combination into  
> SignPuddle...
>
> At least I guessed that is what you mean...if I am wrong please  
> explain, and please be sure to send your answer to both Steve and  
> me...
>
> And feel free to post on the SignWriting List...that is best for us...
>
> Val ;-)
>
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> On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:33 AM, Honza wrote:
>
> Hi Val,
>
> recently we came across difficulties writing down terms (signs)  
> containing more than one signs.
> I mean signs which are compounded from other signs.
>
> For example if you have "brother in law", that is signed SISTER+MY 
> +HUSBAND+HER, it is necessary to write down all separate signs in  
> one field.
> It would be more useful to have possibility to use previously  
> written down signs and compound term (sing) Brother-in-law from that  
> signs like in SignText.
> And it would be better from the linguistic point of view as well  
> (this is used in spoken language dictionaries as well)
>
> thanks
> Honza
>
>
>
>
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