USA: Happy July 4th!

[Cherie Wren]

They do that here in the US too.  Kids at GSD create slang signs, and as soon as the teachers catch on to the meaning, the kids change the signs.

cherie
Georgia School for the Deaf



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From: Lucy <lists at onet.eu>
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That process is known to be done for cryprographic purposes! :-)
A good example: when Signed Polish was developed in Poland, about 90% signs 
were borrowed from PJM, the rest was "invented". Now, nearly 30 years later, 
some Deafies say that there are only 20% signs shared by both PJM and Signed 
Polish.
Teachers report that Deaf students like to have some signs that are 
unintelligible (ununderstandable) to the teachers. Once the teachers decode 
the signs, the students immediately "invent" new ones and abandon to use the 
old ones.

Lucy

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From: "Adam Frost" <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:38 PM
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> Yes, that is true. Us Deafies will make anything our own. It doesn't 
> matter if is starts from us or from English and the hearies. The same goes 
> for any minority language, or any language for that matter. The users of 
> the language will make things their own regardless of where it came from. 
> :-)
>
> Adam
>
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> From: "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at signwriting.org>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:29:14
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> Subject: Re: [sw-l] USA: Happy July 4th!
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> July 4, 2008
>
> Hello Lucy!
> This is so much fun, to share the writing of US states with someone
> like yourself, from Poland!
>
> Do you have a map of Polish states with their sign names? We will
> always be interested to learn more about Poland too.
>
> Regarding the sign names for the US states...you are right that more
> of the western states have sign names that are not based on
> fingerspelling, but actually, even the states that have sign names
> based on fingerspelling are real sign names and very Deaf names. Here
> in the US, fingerspelling of names of places can become like a real
> "sign"...they have real movement involved that would not happen in
> plain fingerspelling...
>
> the fingerspelling evolved into a real sign with unique
> movement...Take a look at the sign for Minnesota...It is MINN but the
> movement makes it a real sign...the letter i moves back, and the two
> Ns move forward with emphasis twice...the back movement of the i is
> almost like a short unimportant movement that makes the forceful
> movement of the double N even more important...it has a rhythm to it ;-)
>
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