Vector Graphics in SignWriting

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Mon Jul 28 17:25:51 UTC 2008 

SignWriting List
July 28, 2008

Hello Machado!
It is wonderful to hear from you again, and thanks also to other  
messages from Stuart Thiessen, Adam Frost and others...

No, this has nothing to do with creating the SVG for the entire ISWA  
2008. We just did ONE sign for World...so that Gerard could have an  
illustration for his artwork, and Adam did that one sign in  
Inkscape...and then we showed it to the List...that is how this whole  
subject came up...smile...I have attached the one sign for WORLD to  
show you what Adam did in Inkscape.

Regarding putting the ISWA 2008 symbolset into SVG someday...we have  
not started that work yet...Because SignPuddle 2.0 is taking some time  
to develop, and we are not ready yet with SignPuddle 2.0, I have had a  
little more time to improve the ISWA 2008 in bitmaps. So i am still  
working on the original symbols. Once SignPuddle 2.0 is ready, it will  
use the new symbols and the ISWA 2008 will be frozen...no more changes  
for a long time...which means we can then create the SVG for it...

And thank you Machado, for all your help in the past. Your IMWA SVG  
version is really beautiful and has a real flair to it!

I hope you are doing well...

All the best - Val ;-)




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On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:04 AM, machado at softwarelivre.org wrote:

>
> Hello, there!
>
> I trully sorry for being in silence for so long again, my dear list- 
> mates! :)
>
> The SVG format is an open standard maintained by W3C. So, any  
> software vendor can have and study the format to implement their  
> software solutions.
> Hence, free software products have this aditional advantage of  
> combining freely available(and "improvable") code and an open  
> standard to deal with.
>
> Designers say that inkscape is the best tool to deal with SVG  
> currently(best among free and proprietary software).
>
> You can find inkscape trhough its official web site(http://www.inkscape.org/ 
> ). There one can find documentation, articles, screenshots and,  
> obviously, downloads.
>
> I've allways used it in gnu/linux but I believe that those downloads  
> for windows  and mac might be as good as.
>
> All the best,
>
> Machado
> P.S. Did you use a batch svg coinverting tool as as used before?
>
>
>
> Citando Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>:
>
>> I am glad you brought this up, Gerard, because actually I am  
>> surprised
>> how hard it is to work with an SVG image...Of course we can all view
>> the SVG in our web browsers, so viewing is not an issue....and I
>> believe that Adobe Illustrator can access and change an SVG image,  
>> but
>> I do not own Adobe Illustrator, and I wanted to open it in Photoshop,
>> and to my surprise it seems that Photoshop cannot open an SVG  
>> image...
>>
>> Do you know of other programs besides Illustrator that can manipulate
>> and change an SVG? It doesn't seem as "easy to change" as a bitmaps,
>> for example...
>>
>> Obviously the difference is between "viewing" and "editing"...two  
>> very
>> different things...
>>
>> It is a beautiful format to view, that is for sure! And I am happy
>> that someday we will have an SVG version for the ISWA 2008...
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> ----------
>>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> I am using Windows XP and this platform is quite capable of  
>>> showing   svg pictures. So rest assured when you have a reasonably  
>>> modern   computer, your computer will be able to show svg..
>>> Thanks,
>>>       GerardM
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Charles Butler  <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com 
>>>  > wrote:
>>> Hello Adam,
>>>
>>> Am I late in the game here?
>>>
>>> Wait, are you telling me that vector-based programs will not run  
>>> on   a PC and you are writing all of your programs presuming that  
>>> the   entire world is MAC based.  I hope not.  I thought that the  
>>> purpose   of open-sourcing was just that, a program that CAN be  
>>> run on any   program with a reasonable memory, not tied to one  
>>> platform or  another.
>>>
>>> Charles Butler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org> wrote:
>>> Yes, Inkscape on Mac requires the use of the X11 program to run.  
>>> I   know you have it, but I bet you have to update it just like I  
>>> did   when I put it on my Mac. If you go to the Inkscape website,  
>>> they   will link you to the X11 website so that you can download  
>>> the  latest  version. Or you can just go to this link to download  
>>> the  latest. http://xquartz.macosforge.org/
>>>
>>> Then after you do that, opening Inkscape should be no problem.  
>>> You   may have to leave it open for awhile when opening it for the  
>>> first   time while it seems to be doing nothing because it is  
>>> communicating   with X11. After that it will open just fine (with  
>>> X11 opening in  the  background).
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any problems.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> July 24, 2008
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, Adam, for posting the SVG version of the sign for  
>>>> WORLD   in ASL...I love the good looking symbols - you did a  
>>>> really good   job ;-))
>>>>
>>>> And you are right, that as soon as we have the SVG version of  
>>>> the   ISWA it will be just terrific... It may actually take some  
>>>> time   before that happens, but sooner or later it will  
>>>> happen....;-)
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile...a funny story..I downloaded the program Inkscape to    
>>>> open your svg file, but oddly enough it refuses to open on my  
>>>> Mac,   and it said it was a Mac version, so I must have done  
>>>> something   wrong...and I was surprised that Photoshop doesn't  
>>>> open the   file...it says it is a format it doesn't  
>>>> understand...so is it  only  Illustrator and html that opens SVG?  
>>>> The Adobe SVG reader is  being  phased out I understand from  
>>>> their web site...so it seems   frustrating when you can't open an  
>>>> SVG file except in a web   browser...how can I open it to  
>>>> manipulate symbol size etc?
>>>>
>>>> You can see I have much to learn about SVG!
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
>>>> <world01.png>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <world.svg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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