sign puddle help

[Brian McQueen]

I was too specific in my email. I was trying to give an example of a
generic problem I have been experiencing - the problem being trying to
look up the English word for a sign, not anything about The Cat in the
Hat.  In general I have a very hard time getting a successful search
result.  I'll find a different example.  The sign for football is in
there:

http://screencast.com/t/P7s7CYKWRi

It shows the sign to be:

http://screencast.com/t/deWrGr6NeDG

But I had a very hard time doing a symbol search for the sign.

Here is a sample search to demonstrate doing a rotate match on the hands:

http://screencast.com/t/L5m6YRhH

No results for that one:

http://screencast.com/t/Xc0pQ3z7

This example shows that it is quite hard to actually get a hit on a search.

Or a user might know it the sign contains this one hand in some
orientation, but they don't know how to write the rest, so they search
for the one thing they do know - that one hand shape with the
uncertain rotation:

http://screencast.com/t/3psUSYtCCQx

In their result set they would expect to find their sign somewhere:

http://screencast.com/t/ls1qEChtp

Its a massive result set, and I don't see football in there, so I
guess a normal user would try to constrain the query a bit:

http://screencast.com/t/VMe6VITUZX

I get no results for this constrained query:

http://screencast.com/t/KKolpqlma

I don't want to be discouraging.  I am asking because I am so
impressed and interested in this.  I want to both use it myself, as
well as get other folks to use it too.  Did I make some mistake in
that "football" search?

Thanks!

Brian McQueen


On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org> wrote:
> Hello Brian,
>
> I will be more that willing to help you. It seems to me that you would like
> to be able to have an ASL sign to English word correlation in SignPuddle.
>  More specifically you are looking for that relation in a document written
> in SignText. It is possible to have that in SignText, but none of that
> information was written for any of the Cat in the Hat pages. So there are no
> English word correlations stored in SignPuddle for any of the Cat in the Hat
> pages.
>
> You also mentioned that you tried to do a Search by Symbols, but were given
> a return of no results even when the symbols are in the documents of The Cat
> in the Hat. This is because the searches are searching for the symbols in
> the titles of the document. In all of the Cat in the Hat pages the only
> title is written in English with words like "Cat in the Hat 01."
>
> I am sorry that they information that you seems to be looking for isn't even
> there because I didn't put it in there when I did the editing. If you would
> like to have the information, you can just ask me what the English
> correlation the the ASL sign is and I will tell you. ;-)
>
> Adam
>
> On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Brian McQueen wrote:
>
>> Can you please help me get more out of Sign Puddle?  I can't seem to
>> find anything most of the time.  The Sign Puddle is so important!
>> Going from a sign to the English word is the most important missing
>> piece of Sign Language documentation in my opinion.  Here is an
>> example.  I am taking a word from The Cat in the Hat:
>>
>> http://screencast.com/t/scGSIxWn
>>
>> Here is the Rotate Match:
>>
>> http://screencast.com/t/NyfU9M2g
>>
>> Clicking Search gives:
>>
>> http://screencast.com/t/PJGhs2DDndD
>>
>> For some reason the signs in that post-search summary are not the same
>> as the ones I entered:
>>
>> But mostly I need to be able to look up the words!  I have a very low
>> success rate and this kind of search is exactly what I need, so I need
>> to have a higher success rate.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
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